Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

[JoeMorgue]

So Great Britain leaves the EU, the EU tells Great Britain to do something, Great Britain says "Make me."

Great Britain is not a little child that wants to run away from home but can't because Mommy won't let him cross he street.

"The EU cannot make countries NOT IN THE FLIPPIN EU do things" is not a discussion.

 

[The Moog]

To avoid that, set up a normal policed and secured international border between NI and RoI. Then walk away from the EU. No problem.

Ireland might object to that one. Quite vigorously.
It would solve the problem though.

 

[Vixen]

There isn't a group that can enforce the contract if one walks.

The UK has drafted the 'contract' [agreement] but the row is over whether to sign it as it is. Once signed, the UK will be locked in.

It would be grossly irresponsible to just 'walk'. It has a parliament, a monarchy and the armed orces.

There will be a peasants revolt by starving angry millions as the banks shut their doors and the shelves in the shops are emptied in the ensuing pandemonium.

The UK will be blockaded until it honours its legal liabilities.

Food manufacturers have started stockpiling. Maybe it is time for ordinary Brits to do the same. Just sayin'.

 

[Vixen]

To avoid that, set up a normal policed and secured international border between NI and RoI. Then walk away from the EU. No problem.

No. It has had enough of the 'troubles'. No return to that.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Are Scotland and Northern Ireland still threatening to leave the UK if the UK leaves the EU?

 

[The Moog]

Are Scotland and Northern Ireland still threatening to leave the UK if the UK leaves the EU?

A lot of Scots would like to do so... With NI its complicated.

 

[angrysoba]

Really? So when Adobe or Prime (or insert your own subscription service) ask you to sign up for a rolling monthly subscription (usually for twelve months) would you expect to be locked in indefinitely?

Or would you avoid such a commitment like the plague?

This is what MP's are complaining about: the terms and conditions.

If only this disaster had been foreseen!

There is no way to square the circle.

As the philosopher Mick Jagger once said you can’t always get what you want!

 

[angrysoba]

Are Scotland and Northern Ireland still threatening to leave the UK if the UK leaves the EU?

Yes and no depending on who you talk to. That’s been true in NI for a long time before Brexit though.

 

[p0lka]

Why? If the UK has to follow its laws and regulations, of course it must expect to have a say in the passing and formulating of legislation.

It had a say in the passing and formulating of legislation when the UK was a member, twas kinda the point.

The UK apparently is leaving, like...not being a member anymore?
You don't get to help make the rules in that situation, why would you think you do?

 

[Amazer]

Why? If the UK has to follow its laws and regulations, of course it must expect to have a say in the passing and formulating of legislation.

Then it's high time that the UK tempers it's expectations.

 

[angrysoba]

He also said, 'Take me to the station, and put me on a train. I have no expectation to pass through here again.'

Too bad that when the government was fobbing everyone off with platitudes such as “Brexit means Brexit”, the leavers were too busy laughing at the remoaners instead of taking seriously their points that Brexit could mean many different things, and that the leavers couldn’t possibly have known what they were voting for.

 

[Wildy]

But that isn't a good reason. You can give non member votes.

And by "you" I mean any organisation. There isn't a magical force compelling against it.

In this case it'd be that the UK is getting a better position that other, less childish non-member countries, would be getting.

At this point the complaint about not having votes in the EU parliament is probably from people who've only just learned that they had representation there.

 

[Degeneve]

Why? If the UK has to follow its laws and regulations, of course it must expect to have a say in the passing and formulating of legislation.

No. Brexit means Brexit.

The transition period provided by the draft agreement and during which the UK has to follow th EU rules is there only to facilitate the departure of the UK. No more no less.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

The thing is, once the UK leaves it doesn't HAVE to follow EU regulations any more.

But the EU will still insist on certain regulations on stuff that gets traded to the EU. So all the UK has to do is stop trading with the EU and all problems are solved.

Now admittedly, the EU is the UK's biggest trading partner, but that is something the Leave camp knew beforehand, and they promised that 'it will all go ok', so I'm sure they have a comprehensive plan to replace that trade with something much better.

 

[jimbob]

A neighbour posted on facebook an interview on Sky news where an academic pointed out that from the start it was obvious to many (including many in this thread) there were two sorts of Brexit. The Norway/Switzerland approach (or "pointless Brexit") or the highly damaging Brexit.

 

[Darat]

No. Brexit means Brexit.

The transition period provided by the draft agreement and during which the UK has to follow th EU rules is there only to facilitate the departure of the UK. No more no less.

This does seem to keep getting missed. May hasn't negotiated our final treaty with the EU. The "deal" is how we will leave the EU.

 

[Lothian]

This does seem to keep getting missed. May hasn't negotiated our final treaty with the EU. The "deal" is how we will leave the EU.

I am fully convinced that by the time we have negotiated a new deal, the technology will be in place to deal with the Irish border Issues, It won't matter if you cross on your ihoverboard or fusion powered flying icar, the quantum scanners will detect any goods and deduct the credits from your ibank.

 

[zooterkin]

A large number of off topic posts have been moved to AAH.
The birthplace of the Manchester Arena bomber, or philosophical side discussions on the meaning of 'leave' (as opposed to reality-based discussions of the implications of leaving), are not for this thread.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: zooterkin

 

[Henri McPhee]

Jacob Rees-Mogg has moved his Somerset Asset Management company to Ireland to keep it in the EU. That looks like hypocrisy to me by a bunch of millionaire Brexit politicians. The famous old Avon Rubber company in Wiltshire, which is now American owned, is now moving to somewhere like Slovakia. It's not good news even though the public and House of Commons is out of touch with reality and they can only think of cutting public spending and financial and media firms in London.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

So Great Britain leaves the EU, the EU tells Great Britain to do something, Great Britain says "Make me."

Great Britain is not a little child that wants to run away from home but can't because Mommy won't let him cross he street.

"The EU cannot make countries NOT IN THE FLIPPIN EU do things" is not a discussion.

They can't MAKE you do something, but they can make your life very difficult if you don't. Especially when you are hugely reliant on them for things like food, medicine, and transportation.

I mean it's fine to be all cowboy about it, but cowboys don't generally have to explain to millions of people why they aren't going to get their insulin, do they?