Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

[Vixen]

Depending on your point of view this is either the BBC's pro-Brexit bias or their commitment to a definition of 'balance' that means both sides get treated with a measure of respect completely unrelated to whether they're genuine experts presenting a reasoned and well supported position or self promoting, selfish, liars that are willing to spout any bollox if they think it will gain them or their friends a little more power, cash or publicity.

And Mogg is bad enough but I believe Farrage has been on Question Time more than any other guest.

That's probably because he is an entertaining speaker.

 

[Vixen]

Oh he still denies he's done anything out of the ordinary. Just like all the other Brexit rats leaving the ship. But Vixen's claim suggested more honesty about his motives.

He's a businessman. Of course he moves his HQ to the most tax-efficient country he is allowed to. Being a politician doesn't mean you should dress in sack cloth, give away your wealth, or send your kids to the local sink school.

My sister's ex-father-in-law was head of ILEA years ago. He got flak in the press for sending his kids to public school.

Hating someone because of their class is just so...so...British.

 

[Vixen]

Actually, there is no need to administer free trade (it is just the simplest way of trading). Free trade means that there is no tariff, so you actually save on customs management costs when trade becomes free. Of course, there are some rules and standards in economic activity, but this can be managed in each country (with cooperation, which is of course always desirable, as widely as possible).

And I maintain that the EU can actually be considered (in some areas) as a criminal organization, involved in the dirty business of persecuting and even perhaps torturing people (see for example: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...hansk-people-s-republic-to-sanctions-list/pdf ).

I (strongly) suspect the EU of plotting to impose unnecessary tariffs to the UK once it leaves the Union, which it has every right to do, even if this backfires terribly on its own (European) economy.

You're joking aren't you? I worked for a wine shippers for many years importing wines, sherries and beers from South America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Spain, Germany and Portugal for the big five supermarkets. I can tell you the carry on with imports from outside of Europe: Bills of Lading, Promissory Notes, Letters of Credit, Forward Contracts (as an f/x hedge) was a nightmare, not to mention registering the stuff to ex-cellars bonded warehouses, not to mention Duty and Vat, which was considerable. Although only thirty of us in the company we were in the UK's top 100 payers of VAT. Had regular spot visits from HM Inspector of Taxes, rubbing their hands over what more they could grab.

 

[Klimax]

Actually, there is no need to administer free trade (it is just the simplest way of trading). Free trade means that there is no tariff, so you actually save on customs management costs when trade becomes free. Of course, there are some rules and standards in economic activity, but this can be managed in each country (with cooperation, which is of course always desirable, as widely as possible).

And I maintain that the EU can actually be considered (in some areas) as a criminal organization, involved in the dirty business of persecuting and even perhaps torturing people (see for example: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...hansk-people-s-republic-to-sanctions-list/pdf ).

I (strongly) suspect the EU of plotting to impose unnecessary tariffs to the UK once it leaves the Union, which it has every right to do, even if this backfires terribly on its own (European) economy.

You may want to review WTO rules. None of your post has any basis in reality and demonstrates perfectly why GB is in such deep troubles.

 

[fagin]

You may want to review WTO rules. None of your post has any basis in reality and demonstrates perfectly why GB is in such deep troubles.

I think he's Belgian, but your point is still valid.

 

[Michel H]

You may want to review WTO rules. None of your post has any basis in reality and demonstrates perfectly why GB is in such deep troubles.

I don't think World Trade Organization rules prevent the European Union from imposing tariffs to British imports (to the UE) once the UK has left the Union (with possibly disastrous effects [of these tariffs]). This leads me to believe that the European Union is possibly an economic terror organization, which could inflict far more damage to the UK than the Islamic State. This is not a joke, it is just plain fact, nothing else (if somewhat unconventional).

Similarly, you may have read recently in the news that China has decided to cut tariffs to US cars to "only" 15 percent (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46531803 ). Does such a tariff violate WTO rules? No. Would a similar tariff imposed on UK-made cars by the EU break WTO rules? No.

 

[Amazer]

I don't think World Trade Organization rules prevent the European Union from imposing tariffs to British imports (to the UE) once the UK has left the Union (with possibly disastrous effects [of these tariffs]). This leads me to believe that the European Union is possibly an economic terror organization, which could inflict far more damage to the UK than the Islamic State. This is not a joke, it is just plain fact, nothing else (if somewhat unconventional).

Of course the WTO rules don't prevent the EU from imposing tariffs on British imports, they in fact require the EU to do this. Because under WTO rules, the EU cannot discriminate and must apply the same tariff to any country with which it doesn't have a Trade Agreement. This is something the UK should have been aware of and it's kind of strange to blame the EU for the pain that the UK is about to inflict on itself.

Similarly, you may have read recently in the news that China has decided to cut tariffs to US cars to "only" 15 percent (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46531803 ). Does such a tariff violate WTO rules? No. Would a similar tariff imposed on UK-made cars by the EU break WTO rules? No.

Yes, the EU could hike the tariffs to 15% and not violate WTO rules. The only requirement is that it does this for all car imports from countries with which it doesn't have a Trade Agreement.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Of course the WTO rules don't prevent the EU from imposing tariffs on British imports, they in fact require the EU to do this. Because under WTO rules, the EU cannot discriminate and must apply the same tariff to any country with which it doesn't have a Trade Agreement. This is something the UK should have been aware of and it's kind of strange to blame the EU for the pain that the UK is about to inflict on itself.


Yes, the EU could hike the tariffs to 15% and not violate WTO rules. The only requirement is that it does this for all car imports from countries with which it doesn't have a Trade Agreement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements

Russia, China, the Middle East...

The biggest spoiler of the bunch is the U.S. probably. That may be of no consequence, though. If they are going to do the trade deal (TTIP or whatever Trump will have to call it after bashing TTIP initially) they won't get hit with tariffs. If they don't have a trade deal, then the trade war is probably back on and 15% for UK and US both is just fine under those conditions.

 

[Information Analyst]

You are perfectly entitled to your simplistic, misguided opinion conspiracy theory.

FTFY.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I have come to the conclusion that basically anyone who uses the phrase 'WTO terms' doesn't know what they are talking about. It's sad that not one journalist I have seen on TV has ever asked the obvious follow-up question(s) to anyone who uses the phrase.

 

[fagin]

I think they think that if you want to ship widgets somewhere you just make a quick call, say
'I'd like to ship you some widgets'.
'Cool we want widgets'
'Paypal us some money and they'll be in the post today'

Job done.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I think they think that if you want to ship widgets somewhere you just make a quick call, say
'I'd like to ship you some widgets'.
'Cool we want widgets'
'Paypal us some money and they'll be in the post today'

Job done.

Things WTO terms don't do:

1. Anything for services - which is about half our exports
2. Frictionless trade - so everything still needs to get checked and go through customs etc
3. Anything for Ireland border question - if anything quite the opposite since it requires a border
4. Anything for the many deals we have with the EU allowing things like air travel, haulage, etc to continue

and so on and so on.....

 

[Klimax]

I think he's Belgian, but your point is still valid.

I know. Yet he is perfect demonstration of typical higher-level brexiter. Full of ignorance and total lack of awareness of their own limitations.

I don't think World Trade Organization rules prevent the European Union from imposing tariffs to British imports (to the UE) once the UK has left the Union (with possibly disastrous effects [of these tariffs]). This leads me to believe that the European Union is possibly an economic terror organization, which could inflict far more damage to the UK than the Islamic State. This is not a joke, it is just plain fact, nothing else (if somewhat unconventional).

Similarly, you may have read recently in the news that China has decided to cut tariffs to US cars to "only" 15 percent (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46531803 ). Does such a tariff violate WTO rules? No. Would a similar tariff imposed on UK-made cars by the EU break WTO rules? No.

How to quickly demonstrate total ignorance. Yet more of wrong and ignorant assertions.

Frankly, our post is near total inversion of reality. Just take opposite of many statements and you get true state of things...

 

[GnaGnaMan]

I don't think World Trade Organization rules prevent the European Union from imposing tariffs to British imports (to the UE) once the UK has left the Union (with possibly disastrous effects [of these tariffs]). This leads me to believe that the European Union is possibly an economic terror organization, which could inflict far more damage to the UK than the Islamic State. This is not a joke, it is just plain fact, nothing else (if somewhat unconventional).

Can you explain your reasoning here? How does the fact that the EU can impose tariffs lead you to that conclusion?

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Can you explain your reasoning here? How does the fact that the EU can impose tariffs lead you to that conclusion?

Well it's obvious. If someone leaves the EU they get treated like any other country that isn't in the EU and doesn't have a trade deal with the EU. It's TERRORISM I tells ya. Worse than ISIS!

and just because you voted for it and your politicians insist on it that doesn't mean the EU should do it. That's just like blowing people up.

 

[Andy_Ross]

According to Anthony "Ant" Middleton Adventurer and Channel 4 television presenter.

"A ‘no deal’ for our country would actually be a blessing in disguise. It would force us into hardship and suffering which would unite & bring us together, bringing back British values of loyalty and a sense of community! Extreme change is needed!"

 

[GlennB]

According to Anthony "Ant" Middleton Adventurer and Channel 4 television presenter.

"A ‘no deal’ for our country would actually be a blessing in disguise. It would force us into hardship and suffering which would unite & bring us together, bringing back British values of loyalty and a sense of community! Extreme change is needed!"

Or we could just organise another Blitz. Same thing really

 

[GnaGnaMan]

According to Anthony "Ant" Middleton Adventurer and Channel 4 television presenter.

"A ‘no deal’ for our country would actually be a blessing in disguise. It would force us into hardship and suffering which would unite & bring us together, bringing back British values of loyalty and a sense of community! Extreme change is needed!"

Is that an adapted Pol Pot quote?

 

[Information Analyst]

According to Anthony "Ant" Middleton Adventurer and Channel 4 television presenter.

"A ‘no deal’ for our country would actually be a blessing in disguise. It would force us into hardship and suffering which would unite & bring us together, bringing back British values of loyalty and a sense of community! Extreme change is needed!"

**** me backwards....

 

[Craig B]

send your kids to the local sink school.

My sister's ex-father-in-law was head of ILEA years ago. He got flak in the press for sending his kids to public school.

Hating someone because of their class is just so...so...British.

being head of the ILEA and accepting that local schools are all "sinks" unfit for your children is just so ... so ... Brutish.