Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

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ceptimus said:
Do you think companies continue to pay into the pension pots of ex employees? If there are such companies then they are both rare and foolishly generous.
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I had in mind, of course, company pensions which pay out of a central fund rather than individual private pensions. If European civil servants and MEPS had private pensions instead then there would be no question of the UK having any liability to fund them after it left since it would have made the contributions already.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
UK phone companies will start charging their customers roaming fees for calls made from the EU.
This alone should showcase the necessity of a second referendum.
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Certainly not all:

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Current status: will maintain availability of roaming in the EU at no additional cost following Brexit

"To reassure our customers, we have also committed to maintain the availability of roaming in the EU at no additional cost following Brexit."
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https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/will-additional-eu-roaming-charges-return-after-brexit
 
Jack by the hedge said:
I had in mind, of course, company pensions which pay out of a central fund rather than individual private pensions. If European civil servants and MEPS had private pensions instead then there would be no question of the UK having any liability to fund them after it left since it would have made the contributions already.
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The UK has made contributions already. It has been paying its share of EU pensions (even for those EU officials who retired before the UK joined the EU) for the whole time that it has been a member. Once the UK leaves the EU it should not have to contribute towards the EU's ongoing costs, including pensions, unless some worthwhile benefit is negotiated in return.
 
ceptimus said:
The UK has made contributions already. It has been paying its share of EU pensions (even for those EU officials who retired before the UK joined the EU) for the whole time that it has been a member. Once the UK leaves the EU it should not have to contribute towards the EU's ongoing costs, including pensions, unless some worthwhile benefit is negotiated in return.
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Quick hard brexit, pay the EU sod all, watch them come running to us begging for a deal. What are you smoking?
 
When an Englishman wants something, George Bernard Shaw observed, he never publicly admits to his wanting it; instead, his want is expressed as ‘a burning conviction that it is his moral and religious duty to conquer those who possess the thing he wants.
 
Lothian said:
Quick hard brexit, pay the EU sod all, watch them come running to us begging for a deal. What are you smoking?
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That approach couldn't be any worse than the current "negotiations". What concessions have the EU offered during the eighteen months of negotiations so far?
 
The latest offering of "project fear" from 3 Blokes in the Pub from Geneva is one of their better episodes, even if their videos are a somewhat long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHgpQDBXOM

They had lunch with, although not "named", WTO people, and came up with interesting points. I do not take their words as a given, but they do seem to present interesting facts. Very sobering.

Their video before with the International lawyer is also worth a listen.
 
ceptimus said:
Of course it's possible for the EU and the UK to, for example, mutually recognise and accept driving licenses. Project fear and the EU would have you believe otherwise, because they are desperate and will say anything, however absurd, in their efforts to get the UK to remain.
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Of course it's possible... I'm quite sure no one is denying that. Not from the UK-side and not from the EU side either. I wouldn't at all be surprised if this would be one of those things that have been agreed upon already, part of the 80% which Barnier and Raab referred to.

But it's a small part of the larger, overall deal... and till that larger deal is agreed upon, and ratified by both the UK and the EU and its member, the issue remains that it's quite possible that UK driver licenses will no longer be valid in the EU after Brexit day and vice versa.
 
ceptimus said:
So far we've just made concession after concession to the EU, while they haven't moved an iota.
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Yea, that is what you get when you negotiate from the weaker position.
Especially when you'd like to keep all the extra perks and concessions the UK got on joining the EU.
 
fagin said:
I think they're waiting for the UK to agree on a plan.

So far 'we' have failed miserably.
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This, it must be extremely difficult to negotiate with the Brits at the moment.

EU: What do you want?
Britain: We don't know yet but can we agree that we'll get whatever it is we want once we know what we want?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
UK phone companies will start charging their customers roaming fees for calls made from the EU.
This alone should showcase the necessity of a second referendum.
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Unfortunately, by the time that manifests, it will be too late. No doubt Leave supporters will simply blame the EU for, anyway. The way they would blame Vodafone for not continuing to give them X free texts/call per month once they've switched contracts to.... ooohhh....
 
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Information Analyst said:
Unfortunately, by the time that manifests, it will be too late. No doubt Leave supports will simply blame the EU for, anyway. The way they would blame Vodafone for not continuing to give them X free texts/call per month once they've switched contracts to.... ooohhh....
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One would think they would be fundamentally opposed to the EU decree that roaming costs would have to lower in the EU (Because that is the primary reason that roaming costs are so low right now).

Pure based on that they would love it for these costs to rise. Power to the business and no power to the EU and such.
 
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