Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

[Degeneve]

To be fair, the reason we don't appreciate that, is because it's untrue.

How else did Wallonia hold up the EU trade deal with Canada?

And Wallonia is not even a Member State, but one of the 3 Regions of Belgium.

While many areas are now subject to qualified majority votes, several important ones (as taxation for instance) remain subject to unanimity vote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union

 

[jeremyp]

You don't seem to appreciate that member states now no longer have a veto, except perhaps for France and Germany.

To be completely accurate there is no veto, but votes on critical issues such as taxation and "ever closer union" require unanimity of the member states. Less important issues are decided by qualified majority voting in which the UK has the same voting weight as Germany, France and Italy but marginally less power than France or Germany by virtue of our smaller population.

Of course, going forward, the UK will have no power in the EU whatsoever. To go from top three to zero is a bitter pill and one that I'd rather not swallow.

 

[catsmate]

You don't seem to appreciate that member states now no longer have a veto, except perhaps for France and Germany.

Probably because it's another lie.

 

[catsmate]

Please provide evidence for this claim.

You first.

 

[catsmate]

"Delays at Heathrow Airport passport control left passengers queuing for up to two and a half hours last month, figures show.

On 30 out of 31 days in July, the border force missed its target of a 45-minute wait or less for 95% of visitors from outside the European Economic Area (EEA)."

And if EEA visitors have to join that queue, post-brexit?

The many elements of this shambles are adding up daily.

Yeah, it's really moving into fractal stupidity territory.

 

[Information Analyst]

A pointless question. I don't know what your priorities are, apart from the desire to travel to 27 other capital cities without having to ask first, and you clearly don't agree with my priorities, but there you go.

As far as I know you might be quite happy if the EU abolished nations completely - as long as you could travel to 27 capital cities etc, etc.

Oh, wait - make that 27 subsidiary administration centres....

Pixel42 clearly said - as you quoted - "current freedom to live and work anywhere in 28 countries."

 

[Information Analyst]

Which can be completely ignored if the majority disagree.

Heavy irony....

 

[Henri McPhee]

One of my sisters has said that it took so long to join the Common Market in the first place that she can't see why it can't be changed from within, and that's it's a mess.

 

[Amazer]

One of my sisters has said that it took so long to join the Common Market in the first place that she can't see why it can't be changed from within, and that's it's a mess.

The common market or the leaving is a mess?

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[Henri McPhee]

I don't think you people are quite clear about this veto business in the EU. The matter is discussed at this website:

www.theeuroprobe.org/2014-046-uk-to-lose-power-to-veto-eu/

Put another way we could VETO any prospective EU legislation if it was not in our National interests. In other words our Parliament at Westminster retained effective National Sovereignty over these areas.

However, the LibLabCons and, Cameron in particular, have not made this clear to the Nation, WHY??
Because as of the 1st November 2014 under the LISBON TREATY, the right of parliament to >legislate in these listed areas will be removed and the EU can pass its own legislation by “qualified majority voting” (QMV). We will no longer be able to veto anything deemed not to be in our National interests… Sovereignty gone!

However, there will be a mechanism allowing “transitional arrangements” up to March 2017 ONLY.

 

[GnaGnaMan]

I don't think you people are quite clear about this veto business in the EU. The matter is discussed at this website:

www.theeuroprobe.org/2014-046-uk-to-lose-power-to-veto-eu/

Your link also explains "why these lost powers include removing the ability of a member state to unilaterally decide to withdraw from the EU". I suggest you find a source that is less self-discrediting.

 

[fagin]

One of my sisters has said that it took so long to join the Common Market in the first place that she can't see why it can't be changed from within, and that's it's a mess.

Is your sister Theresa May?

Explains a lot.

 

[jeremyp]

One of my sisters has said that it took so long to join the Common Market in the first place that she can't see why it can't be changed from within, and that's it's a mess.

Well it can be changed from within, but you have to be within it, not without it to change it.

 

[jeremyp]

I don't think you people are quite clear about this veto business in the EU. The matter is discussed at this website:

www.theeuroprobe.org/2014-046-uk-to-lose-power-to-veto-eu/

Right so that article says that we would lose the right to unilaterally withdraw from the EU in November 2014. Since events have shown that to be a blatant lie, is there any reason why we should believe anything it says?

These Brexit lies have caused serious damage to the UK. Please stop propagating them.

 

[Garrison]

I don't think you people are quite clear about this veto business in the EU.

Henri does it ever occur to you that when everyone else disagrees with you maybe they aren't the ones who lack understanding?

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Henri's wrongness is no accident

 

[Henri McPhee]

Decisions are taken behind closed doors.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Decisions are taken behind closed doors.

While Westminster, by contrast, is a beacon of ethical pragmatism and a model of strict public oversight.

Also, I've recently come into possession of a bridge and am entertaining offers.

 

[ponderingturtle]

It's not satisfactory but it seems the most workable alternative to breaking the Good Friday Agreement. If the illegal migrants have a miserable time here, they can always go back home - possibly returning across the same unsupervised border.

I am sure you can get all the benefits of the GFA with none of the costs so why be so reluctant to break it? Give into the brexit spirit!

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Also, I've recently come into possession of a bridge and am entertaining offers.

Is it, by any chance, located in a major (for now) European city?