Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

[Garrison]

Its odd to claim Leave represented a singular position when the Brexit being negotiated now bears no resemblance to the one promised during the campaign.

As to a federal Europe what exactly was being proposed in regard to that which was so appalling? Giving up some fantasy notion of sovereignty that became meaningless somewhere around the time the USA eclipsed Britain economically?

 

[Lplus]

I think the EU is a work in progress and I think the EU bureaucrats probably did overplay their hand and intruded too much on what the individual nations think of as their prerogative.
I think the EU should go back to the Common Market days, work to eliminate bad economic barriers, and provide a platform for European nations to work out their differences, and forget about evoliving into some kind of Central European GOvernment. That is simply not happening.

Indeed - and if it had been under way Brexit would never have happened. It is what was voted for back in the 1970s.

 

[Lplus]

Its odd to claim Leave represented a singular position when the Brexit being negotiated now bears no resemblance to the one promised during the campaign.

As to a federal Europe what exactly was being proposed in regard to that which was so appalling? Giving up some fantasy notion of sovereignty that became meaningless somewhere around the time the USA eclipsed Britain economically?

If you really don't comprehend the importance of being able to make your own decisions as a country then I can't help you.

 

[jimbob]

If you really don't comprehend the importance of being able to make your own decisions as a country then I can't help you.

It's my rights as an individual that I am more concerned about. The rights of "a country" mean nothing to me.

 

[GnaGnaMan]

Indeed - and if it had been under way Brexit would never have happened. It is what was voted for back in the 1970s.

How do you figure that that was what was voted on back then?

 

[Spanx]

It's my rights as an individual that I am more concerned about. The rights of "a country" mean nothing to me.

You no longer have any rights. Brexit supporters have now officially taken control of the country and will soon be taking control of the world

Edit, as soon as remainers let them.

 

[p0lka]

You might need to wait a bit

Like 50 years according to Rees Mogg

yeah but all of his numerous offspring reap the benefits or something.

 

[ddt]

Indeed - and if it had been under way Brexit would never have happened. It is what was voted for back in the 1970s.

Back in the 1970s, various pro-EC politicians quite openly made statements that with the EC, people would be voting on an ever more tighter union. That was no secret at all.

And back then, people voted in favour of staying.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I suppose if remain had won the referendum by the same margin, you would have been happy to partly leave the EU so as to fairly treat the 48% that voted that way? No? Why not?

As to the rest of your post, the word you should be using is 'predictions', not 'evidence'. And it's predictions from groups whose predictions that we can check so far have been woeful.

A strange argument given that the UK already is partially out of the EU and was continually negotiating for special treatment and further exemptions on the back of so called Euro skeptics continually moaning.

Had there been a close result to remain I have no doubt it would have been described as a clear message that change needs to happen and that further negotiations withbthe EU would have ensued.

Is there any equivalent thinking on the leave side? any sign that the 48% should be given some kind of voice or that the exit should be negotiated in a way that makes some concessions to them?

of course not. because thats not how these people work. its just you lost losers get over it we are in charge now and we are driving this bus off the cliff. Even a sizeable chunk of Leavers dont agree with this anymore. This is not democracy its a hijacking of a nation by hardcore ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊

 

[ceptimus]

Its odd to claim Leave represented a singular position when the Brexit being negotiated now bears no resemblance to the one promised during the campaign.

The Brexit being negotiated now has been designed by remain supporters. That's why the majority that voted leave are so unhappy with it and why it will most likely be rejected in favour of a true Brexit (that's what you would call a hard Brexit or a no-deal Brexit').

For clarity: 'hard Brexit' = Brexit, 'soft Brexit' = 'Chequers' = 'non Brexit' = 'partial remain'

 

[Spanx]

The Brexit being negotiated now has been designed by remain supporters. That's why the majority that voted leave are so unhappy with it and why it will most likely be rejected in favour of a true Brexit (that's what you would call a hard Brexit or a no-deal Brexit').

For clarity: 'hard Brexit' = Brexit, 'soft Brexit' = 'Chequers' = 'non Brexit' = 'partial remain'

This is where it gets really confusing. Can you explain what Brexit should be and where it was suggested before the referendum.

Personally I don't recall a hard Brexit, true Brexit or no deal Brexit being mentioned before the referendum.

 

[fagin]

The Brexit being negotiated now has been designed by remain supporters. That's why the majority that voted leave are so unhappy with it and why it will most likely be rejected in favour of a true Brexit (that's what you would call a hard Brexit or a no-deal Brexit').

For clarity: 'hard Brexit' = Brexit insane, 'soft Brexit' = 'Chequers' Look - unicorn poo= 'non Brexit' = 'partial remain'Remain - the sensible option, for all non idiots.

No, I would call no deal ******* stupid.

 

[Amazer]

The Brexit being negotiated now has been designed by remain supporters. That's why the majority that voted leave are so unhappy with it and why it will most likely be rejected in favour of a true Brexit (that's what you would call a hard Brexit or a no-deal Brexit').

For clarity: 'hard Brexit' = Brexit, 'soft Brexit' = 'Chequers' = 'non Brexit' = 'partial remain'

In your opinion...

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[ceptimus]

It's very simple if you ignore all the deliberately confusing remain propaganda. Leave means leaving the EU. This means leaving ALL the EU institutions; it means the opposite of remaining in the EU. I hope that clears it up for you, but I somehow doubt that it will.

 

[GlennB]

The Brexit being negotiated now has been designed by remain supporters. That's why the majority that voted leave are so unhappy with it and why it will most likely be rejected in favour of a true Brexit (that's what you would call a hard Brexit or a no-deal Brexit').

For clarity: 'hard Brexit' = Brexit, 'soft Brexit' = 'Chequers' = 'non Brexit' = 'partial remain'

What evidence can you present that the majority of leave voters were voting for a no-deal Brexit?

 

[Spanx]

It's very simple if you ignore all the deliberately confusing remain propaganda. Leave means leaving the EU. This means leaving ALL the EU institutions; it means the opposite of remaining in the EU. I hope that clears it up for you, but I somehow doubt that it will.

If you can provide where this was said before the referendum it will clear things up.

You must have seen it somewhere to have known what you were voting for.

 

[fagin]

To be fair to ceptimus, it was a referendum to leave the EU.

That leave voters (and the dickheads running it) had no idea/ignored/didn't care/darkies out/etc. of the consequences is sort of a different argument.

 

[Spanx]

To be fair to ceptimus, it was a referendum to leave the EU.

That leave voters (and the dickheads running it) had no idea/ignored/didn't care/darkies out/etc. of the consequences is sort of a different argument.

Which makes you wonder why these same dickheads have taken two years to achieve the goal of leaving with no deal when we could have just pulled up the borders and left the day after the referendum.

God only knows why David Davis was being cheered on for a Canada Plus Plus Plus when his and the leave voters intention was to leave with no deal.

 

[Degeneve]

I think the EU is a work in progress and I think the EU bureaucrats probably did overplay their hand and intruded too much on what the individual nations think of as their prerogative.

What the EU is today has been freely decided by the Member States or freely accepted by the countries which have joined the EU as Members. The treaties and their amendments have always needed the agreement of all Member States to be adopted.

I think the EU should go back to the Common Market days,

I didn't new the EU had abandoned the Common Market. When did this happen?

work to eliminate bad economic barriers, and provide a platform for European nations to work out their differences, and forget about evoliving into some kind of Central European GOvernment. That is simply not happening.

There is no Central European Government. The EU Commission only implements rules that have been adopted by the EU Council, which gather the heads of the 28 Member States.

 

[fagin]

Which makes you wonder why these same dickheads have taken two years to achieve the goal of leaving with no deal when we could have just pulled up the borders and left the day after the referendum.

God only knows why David Davis was being cheered on for a Canada Plus Plus Plus when his and the leave voters intention was to leave with no deal.

Perhaps it started dawning on them that they had made a bit of a mistake.

So two years of fingers in ears going lalalalalalalalalala.

I think that's as far as they've got.