That's cute seeing as how I only echoed your own argument back at you to emphasize how ridiculous it is. Notice that I used the phrase, "If I were to stoop to using remainer arguments".
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Greebo
Critical Thinker
Remain was not to alter the status quo.
Leave however seems to mean different things to different people and would alter the status quo
abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
That is impossibly naive as a view. My family is spread across Europe, but one resides in London. She wants to bail. Given her job is Student welfare, she tells me that there will be vacant roles and no staff. Of those three remaining, all of them are leaving the UK. Replacements cannot be found. When the remaining three leave, they will go to other university jobs in other EU27 countries.
One of my closest friends is a tenured university professor. He tells me that the UK is already an academic pariah.
Another sister lives in Germany and works as a professional translator for technical manuals. They are apparently rubbing their hands with glee at how much they can abuse the UK under WTO rules.
As for my own company? We are well advanced setting up to rip the UK. You chose it, you live with the consequence.
catsmate
No longer the 1
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"Business as usual" included the slow but seemingly inexorable annexation of National power towards the EU itself. Given the stated intentions of the likes of J. C. Juncker to continue working towards a "Federal Europe", is that what you think the Remainers were all voting for?
Somehow I doubt it.
abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
Interesting, so as well as being ill mannered to me, you're calling J.C Juncker a liar? Or do you think the EU will remain stuck at the halfway stage for ever?
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
I think the EU is a work in progress and I think the EU bureaucrats probably did overplay their hand and intruded too much on what the individual nations think of as their prerogative.
I think the EU should go back to the Common Market days, work to eliminate bad economic barriers, and provide a platform for European nations to work out their differences, and forget about evoliving into some kind of Central European GOvernment. That is simply not happening.
I think the EU should go back to the Common Market days, work to eliminate bad economic barriers, and provide a platform for European nations to work out their differences, and forget about evoliving into some kind of Central European GOvernment. That is simply not happening.
Lothian
should be banned
I am asking you to link to a document which contains the claim you made. I don't need clarification of a word meaning I simply need you to evidence the claim you made. If I said the leave campaign promised all pay would double between the referendum and brexit you would want evidence.
The treasury prediction was not wrong, as you probably know. You are not stupid and you can read. The prediction was qualified. If the conditions for the prediction don't come off the prediction is not false.
If prior to the last election I said 'If labour win the the Election Corbyn will be PM' that is not a false prediction given Labour lost. However the fact that he still leads the Labour party strongly suggests he would have been PM if Labour had won.
This is not difficult. Really. Ask for help if you are struggling.
Who are these "EU bureaucrats" and what did they do?
quadraginta
Becoming Beth
Ah yes, a government promise with no suggestion of where the money will come from barring vague claims of a "Brexit dividend".
Seriously, how stupid do people have to be to fall for recycling of the same lies?
Approximately as stupid as they were to fall for them to begin with. It isn't like the lies weren't perfectly transparent at the time, and all that was carefully explained to anyone willing to listen.
Much of politics depends on this sort of willful stupidity.
jeremyp
Philosopher
Will Leavers ever admit that, after winning* they had no ******* clue what to do next?
*Oh look I appear to have admitted we lost.
Does it look like it is proving successful at the moment?
fagin
Philosopher
And then on to the confederation of planets.
TBH I don't see any problem with that. Most of civilised society has moved beyond tribalism. Nationalism is the next hurdle.
jeremyp
Philosopher
As a member of the EU, the UK had the power of veto over any movement towards a federal Europe. Of course, now we are leaving, we can’t stop it from happenening (not that I think it would anyway) and we will be wanting to rejoin at some point in the future once all the old people with their nostalgia for the bygone fifties when England [sic] was grate have died out.
jeremyp
Philosopher
In fifty years, I’ll be 102. My nephew (aged 14 at the time) - who was absolutely furious at the vote - will be 66. I wonder why Jacob Rees Mogg waited until now to reveal that little tidbit. Oh yes, it’’s because he is a lying ****.
In 50 years, it will be even more obvious as a disaster.
One of my colleagues describes this as "one of the biggest acts of collective self-harm in British history". I don't disagree.
jeremyp
Philosopher
“One of” implies there are other acts of collective self harm that are comparable. I can’t think of any off the top of my head - perhaps our decision to enter the First World War might be one.
Chris is, like me, an engineer and averse to making absolute statements that we can't back up.
I'd say that entering the First World War, probably was the right decision, but that it was prosecuted badly.
ddt
Mafia Penguin
No doubt, the other half of the answer can be found in his investment portfolio.
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