Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

[Aber]

The UK agreed that the GFA needed to be respected. *That* should be one of the real red lines for both parties.

Just because the UK government wants to backtrack on its previously-agreed position

No, there is a difference in interpretation:

Dublin believes London is unconditionally committed to avoiding a hard border via its signature on last December’s Joint Report.

Senior UK sources, however, say that their unconditional support is not for the Joint Report, but for the Good Friday Agreement, an important distinction.

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2018/0721/980069-brexit-tony-connelly/

IIUC the GFA does not directly cover the state of the border.

 

[GnaGnaMan]

Except the EU is putting a permanent position into a time-limited withdrawal and transition agreement. Which for some reason is not cherry-picking.

Correct. It is not cherry-picking.
I think the concept does not exist in UK culture. You need to ask yourself: What if that was universal?

What if every country only signed up to those programs or projects where they are net beneficiaries? That wouldn't work, right?
What if the EU always, in negotiations, prioritized the interests of those most affected? That's great, right?

 

[GnaGnaMan]

It is also unclear whether UK-US flights will also be legal.

EU-US flights are largely governed by the Open Skies Agreement. Outside of the EU, the UK is no longer covered by that.
The UK is already negotiating with the US. The US is demanding additional concessions. There's no obvious reason why the UK shouldn't give in at a domestically opportune moment, so there shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Degeneve]

More wishful thinking

 

[GlennB]

"The UK’s new Brexit secretary, Dominic Raab, has accused Brussels of being irresponsible for flagging up the risks to EU nationals living in Britain from a no-deal Brexit."

Uh??? Isn't it the exact opposite of 'irresponsible'?

Meanwhile, the UK will be doing a similar thing 'later in the year'.

 

[catsmate]

Even if there were enthusiasm for a second referendum, there isn't enough time before Brexit day (255 days) to organise one. A general election can happen sooner.

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Why? Is the UK government that incompetent? Here in Ireland we can set one up in a couple of months.

 

[Strawberry]

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Why? Is the UK government that incompetent? Here in Ireland we can set one up in a couple of months.

Ireland has been having referendums on a regular basis since 1937, so both the government and the electorate are sophisticated enough to handle them properly. Same with the Swiss.

As both the Brexit referendum and the Scottish referendum demonstrate, the British aren't. Both those referendums would be nullified in the Irish Supreme Court given the amount of lies told during the campaigns.

 

[catsmate]

The new Brexit secretary will be having his first EU meetings:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44880968

Good news if you're a customs officer.

Perhaps some British officers would like to avoid the post-Brexit collapse?

 

[catsmate]

Well apparently you will need a boat since Ireland is threatening to ground flights from the UK, despite the fact that the RAF provides air defence for Ireland!
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/iri...ace-despite-the-raf-policing-irish-air-space/
Also over flight rights are a non EU issue, and international agreements pre-date the EU. Mr Varadkar seems to be turning a bit Trumpish.

Sort of like the ones between Britain and Ireland that May is reneging on?

 

[catsmate]

A Belgian newspaper announces that Dominic Raab has stated that the UK would not pay its debts toward the EU in there is no commercial agreement between the EU and the UK.

And the pathetically desperate tantrums begin.

 

[Garrison]

The UK hasn't made any decision to stop flying anywhere after Brexit. If it is stopped from flying anywhere that will be the result of decisions made by other countries and imposed on the UK.
But it's a fantasy of Remainers that any such decisions will be made. It's in everyone's interest to keep planes flying as they currently do.

Really? I mean you do realize foreigners use those planes to come to the UK don't you? Or are you just worried if the planes stop coming some of Johnny Foreigner will have an excuse to stay?

 

[jimbob]

The UK hasn't made any decision to stop flying anywhere after Brexit. If it is stopped from flying anywhere that will be the result of decisions made by other countries and imposed on the UK.
But it's a fantasy of Remainers that any such decisions will be made. It's in everyone's interest to keep planes flying as they currently do.

I agree it is in everyone's interest, but in the absence of a legal framework how will EU-originating flights be legal to land in the UK and vice-versa? How will UK maintenance be certified?

It can be solved, and quite easily, but work needs to be done. Outside of Star Trek, "make it so" is insufficient.

 

[ceptimus]

I agree it is in everyone's interest, but in the absence of a legal framework how will EU-originating flights be legal to land in the UK and vice-versa? How will UK maintenance be certified?

It can be solved, and quite easily, but work needs to be done. Outside of Star Trek, "make it so" is insufficient.

Yes. The UK is willing and even anxious to negotiate. Unfortunately, Barnier is blocking negotiations.

 

[fagin]

Yes. The UK is willing and even anxious to negotiate. Unfortunately, Barnier is blocking negotiations.

What comic did you read that in?

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

The UK hasn't made any decision to stop flying anywhere after Brexit. If it is stopped from flying anywhere that will be the result of decisions made by other countries and imposed on the UK.
But it's a fantasy of Remainers that any such decisions will be made. It's in everyone's interest to keep planes flying as they currently do.

The belief that the EU will not REALLY impose the rules everyone agreed to when it comes to Brexit is a common delusion.

 

[ceptimus]

What comic did you read that in?

The Guardian. Link already provided in my previous post.

 

[ceptimus]

Sign up to EFTA and you can remain a participant in EASA.

Anything more is just another example of the UK wanting special treatment.

The same "special treatment" as all the other countries that fly in/out/over the EU but are not in EASA.

 

[Amazer]

The same "special treatment" as all the other countries that fly in/out/over the EU but are not in EASA.

I'm certain that once the UK has it's own EASA equivalent in place, one that is recognized by the relevant international bodies, that the UK will receive the same treatment as other countries not in the EASA.

That is however not what the UK is asking... it's asking to remain a participant/member of the EASA while not being a EU/EFTA member... thus "special treatment".

 

[ceptimus]

The UK asked to remain in EASA. Told by the EU this is not possible, it is trying to negotiate an alternative, but negotiations are being blocked by the EU chief negotiator. Details all present for you to read in the Guardian link provided upthread.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Ah, the old "demanding the benefits of membership whilst refusing to pay the membership fee" scenario that isn't at all apposite