Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Yean the entire government defence appears to be that they did prorogue parliament to escape any scrutiny of whatever deal Johnson came up with and that's the generous interpretation. More likely is that Boris was indeed trying to engineer a No Deal Brexit thwarting the will of parliament in the process.

I suspect he failed to provide a statement to the court not for any strategic reasons but simply because writing it would have been too much like hard work.

I think it's more selfish than that. No doubt evidence exists amongst MPs, cabinet, Cummings or whoever was involved in the decision making that show the real reasons and BoJo will not want to make a statement that is provably false to a court for fear of going to jail.

 

[jimbob]

Meanwhile the Independent is reporting that some of the supporting Yellowhammer documents explain that the only reason why ports other than those in Kent wouldn't suffer delays is because of the number of vehicles turned back before getting to them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...hammer-boris-johnson-cars-ports-a9108471.html

Yellowhammer - the slightly unrealistically optimistic scenario

 

[Nessie]

Do they get a lot of people from China and regions? I saw signs like this in many places in Hong Kong many years ago.

I would not be surprised. On the ferry from Cairnryan to Belfast a few weeks ago, at one point I was the only European I could see in the restaurant, which was full, there were that many Chinese people going to NI.

 

[Nessie]

I think that is overstating things. Everyone born in Northern Ireland has Irish and therefore EU citizenship. Unless they refuse it.

There is now such a demand from NI that the Irish are becoming stricter with who they will issue a passport to. Sister-in-law and one nephew, born in NI, no problem. Other nephew born in Scotland (by chance, not planned) is now a maybe. Brother, born in Scotland, no chance.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Except of course in the promotional material for the brexit vote then it was assured those would remain.

I think a few minor members of the Leave campaign may have suggested we'd retain all the benefits of free trade. Just people like Johnson, Gove, Carswell, Stuart, Lilly, Fox, Batten and Hannan.

So no-one of any significance...

 

[P.J. Denyer]

This horrible idea that poor people are poor because they didn't invest wisely needs to be stamped on immediately.

You can't invest money you don't have. And thanks to austerity and ******** like Brexit the poor are worse off than ever.

It should also be noted that thanks to the magic of maths those with significant assets who invest necessarily grow their wealth at a faster rate in absolute terms than those with little invested. So wealth inequalities tend to be exacerbated over time.

Then fees and the like mean its often not worth investing small amounts.

It should also be noted that the first rule of any risky investing is don't invest what you can't afford to lose which for a hell of a lot of people is 'anything at all'

I notice that with PPI coming to an end the new wheeze seems to be for people who decided to gamble some money on the Stick Market and lost to sue their banks for the losses. At least judging by the adverts on LBC.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I think a few minor members of the Leave campaign may have suggested we'd retain all the benefits of free trade. Just people like Johnson, Gove, Carswell, Stuart, Lilly, Fox, Batten and Hannan.

So no-one of any significance...

Kind of interesting how the claims moved from "there will be no downside only a considerable upside" to "There will not be mass starvation".

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Snapped this in the ladies loo in a railway station in Switzerland. None of us could believe it, but perhaps it really is necessary for some people.

It's a not uncommon problem when you have an influx of people from countries where squat toilets are the norm. I first heard about it in the context of an engineering company where the employees started suffering from an unusually high incidence if dermatitis of the posterior. Turned out that metal swarf was being trodden into the toilet seats. An embarrassing problem but easily fixed.

Toilet procedures only tend to enter conversation when something goes badly wrong. Don't ask about the three shells.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Kind of interesting how the claims moved from "there will be no downside only a considerable upside" to "There will not be mass starvation".

To be fair, when David Davis said that Brexit wouldn't be a Mad Max dystopia I went out and started welding spikes to my car.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

"we didn't vote to leave without a deal"-Micheal Gove

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I've got an email from James Gray MP saying he won't support a government that doesn't ask for an extension before Oct 31. Anyone want to bet how much it will be worth on Nov 1st?

 

[Darat]

Do they get a lot of people from China and regions? I saw signs like this in many places in Hong Kong many years ago.

But that sign was targeted at English language users.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

But that sign was targeted at English language users.

Not really. It was pretty universal. And remember that there are more English language speakers in China than any other country. Plus India.

 

[Wudang]

Kind of interesting how the claims moved from "there will be no downside only a considerable upside" to "There will not be mass starvation".

As has been noted, it’s amazing how quickly things move from “project fear” to “this is what we voted for”.

 

[angrysoba]

There is now such a demand from NI that the Irish are becoming stricter with who they will issue a passport to. Sister-in-law and one nephew, born in NI, no problem. Other nephew born in Scotland (by chance, not planned) is now a maybe. Brother, born in Scotland, no chance.

Really? Do they have Irish parents? If so, they are automatically citizens. If they have an Irish grandparent they are eligible to register as Irish citizens born abroad.

 

[commandlinegamer]

It's not that difficult to squat on a w.c., but I wouldn't advise it in a public lavatory given how loose those seats frequently are.

 

[BobTheCoward]

What has the EU done to try and come up with something better than the backstop?

 

[BobTheCoward]

What has the EU been doing to come up with something better than the current backstop?

 

[Lothian]

What has the EU been doing to come up with something better than the current backstop?

It is happy with the backstop but has agreed to consider all alternatives put forward by the UK, albeit they have yet to agree to any. The alternatives are listed below
1 Use some future technology that probably won't ever exist.
2 Use magic
3. Do nothing, breaking WTO rules and damagimg domestic businesses and state income by effectively legalising smuggling.
4. Err Can we try magic again.

 

[angrysoba]

What has the EU done to try and come up with something better than the backstop?

What do you mean?

They put forward the Irish Sea backstop but the UK government, under May, rejected it. Then they suggested the current backstop and May accepted it. They probably feel they have done their part. The problem is that the UK government couldn’t get it through parliament so May kept coming back asking if she could change it or get some reassurances. But the deal remained the same and the EU have given a number of extensions which would allow the UK tome to think of a better idea. What else are they required to do?