Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

[dudalb]

From last night it sounds like Corbyn has decided a VONC or an early election vote will do him no favours. That leaves Boris in quite the pickle if he can't call an election. I mean all those grand financial plans are exactly the kind of thing you put about before an election and ditch after you win, or castigate the other party for not implementing after you lose.

SO COrbyn has some brains after all.....A lot of people though he was just delusional enough to let Bojo have his general election because he thogh Labor could win it..something pretty unlikely.
The smart thing to do is just let Bojo twist in the wind for a while...and go very heavy on the comparasions with Trump.

 

[dudalb]

That commons chamber looks like it needs a good refurbishment. Maybe a few extra seats as well.

When I toured the Houses of Parliament on vacation in London, I was shocked by how small the House of Commons are.
Both houses of the California State Legislature in Sacramento have chambers nearly three times as big.
I understand the small size...not enough seats for every member...is a tradition,though, and we all know about the Brits and how they stick to traditions.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Apparently it's OK to ask the public to change their mind on their MP twice(!) in a shorter period than it's OK to ask them to change their mind on Brexit because that would be a democratic outrage!

 

[a_unique_person]

From last night it sounds like Corbyn has decided a VONC or an early election vote will do him no favours. That leaves Boris in quite the pickle if he can't call an election. I mean all those grand financial plans are exactly the kind of thing you put about before an election and ditch after you win, or castigate the other party for not implementing after you lose.

Maybe it is slowly dawning on Corbyn that he is not the man who can take advantage of a political situation where most leaders would have grabbed the initiative and won the day. Could he please stand down and let just about anyone else rise to the occasion.

 

[KDLarsen]

From last night it sounds like Corbyn has decided a VONC or an early election vote will do him no favours. That leaves Boris in quite the pickle if he can't call an election. I mean all those grand financial plans are exactly the kind of thing you put about before an election and ditch after you win, or castigate the other party for not implementing after you lose.

Sounds like Johnson might be banking on the Lords to hold up the business motion bill, designed to pass the Benn bill before friday, long enough that the opposition will accept a General Election in exchange for the Tory peers letting it pass. There's currently 100 amendments to the bill, and each has to be debated - which can essentially go on for as long as they want it to - and then voted on, with each vote taking a good 10 minutes.

This from one of the Tory peers earlier this evening:

It appears to me that the effectiveness of the filibuster has been accepted, and the focus therefore moves to whether a deal can be done in the Commons to bring the filibuster to an end. Lord Forsyth says the price for that is Boris being allowed to call an election.

 

[p0lka]

Like his mentor and role model President Trump, Boris Johnson is reduced to insults and name calling:



It's utterly pathetic the level to which the UK PM has sunk

It's even worse than that if you actually watched it, rather than relying on soundbites.

 

[quadraginta]

Well Christmas Dinner this year may be Blaireau a la Navet but at least the kiddies will have some presents:

The boss of Lego has said the toymaker is working with UK retailers to "make sure they have enough stock" this Christmas in case of a no-deal Brexit.

Niels Christiansen said the Danish firm was not expecting problems but that he was "monitoring the situation" nonetheless.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49563758

"The boss of Lego" has got to be one of the most incredibly cool titles to have.

Not to mention a great name for a rock band.

 

[dudalb]

Now the only thing left for Boris's Trump imitation to be complete is for him to start tweeting really idiotic crap 24/7.

 

[dudalb]

Apparently it's OK to ask the public to change their mind on their MP twice(!) in a shorter period than it's OK to ask them to change their mind on Brexit because that would be a democratic outrage!

This whole fiasco is why I think "Government by Referendum" is a bad,bad,idea.

 

[dudalb]

And apparently Trump is going to stick his nose into British Domestic Politics by supporting Bojo;and Pence arrives in London in the next couple of days.
I hope the opposition reallies goes to town on this, given Trump's immense unpopularity in the UK.

 

[dudalb]

Just read that Winston Churchill's grandson was one of the 21 Tories who Johnson wants to read out of the party.
Just following in the family tradition of not selling out your convictions for the sake of pleasing your party boss.

 

[McHrozni]

Government capitulated again, the anti no-deal Brexit bill is going to be passed in the House of Lords by friday, before parliament is prorogued next week.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49588186

It looks like BJ will get his election after all - but only after breaking the key promise he made.

McHrozni

 

[Greebo]

Government capitulated again, the anti no-deal Brexit bill is going to be passed in the House of Lords by friday, before parliament is prorogued next week.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49588186

It looks like BJ will get his election after all - but only after breaking the key promise he made.

McHrozni

The analysis I heard on the radio this morning suggested the anti no-deal side want to have the bill become law and let Oct 31st pass before allowing a General Election

 

[McHrozni]

The analysis I heard on the radio this morning suggested the anti no-deal side want to have the bill become law and let Oct 31st pass before allowing a General Election

Given how many times the Brexiteers have already betrayed the trust of Britain and everyone else involved, that seems prudent. Let BJ beg for an extension, let EU grant the extension and then have him fight a general election.

The election will probably be a bloodbath that results in a hung parliament, but if no majority can be secured without at least one of the Bremain parties (LibDem and SNP are both prime candidates) the result will likely be another referendum. There are too many unknowns to make a prediction that would be worth much: how will the election pacts stand? Will Tories make one with Brexit party or not? Will LibDems make one with Greens, Cymru and SNP? Will Labour be the deer in the headlights again or will it join a/the pact?

Once we know the answers to these questions we can gauge the polls. Until then it's an exercise in futility.

McHrozni

 

[Vixen]

When I toured the Houses of Parliament on vacation in London, I was shocked by how small the House of Commons are.
Both houses of the California State Legislature in Sacramento have chambers nearly three times as big.
I understand the small size...not enough seats for every member...is a tradition,though, and we all know about the Brits and how they stick to traditions.

To be overheard everywhere in London:

AMERICAN TOURIST: Oh those Christmas lights are real purdy...but ours are bigger.

ANOTHER US TOURIST: I just love your li'l ol' Circuses (re Oxford Circus) but in the States, they're bigger.

US TOURIST (overheard in Finland): Can I get a double cheese and bacon burger? Ours back home are bigger!

 

[Vixen]

I really enjoyed last night's latest episode. Boris Johnson well and truly put in his place.

 

[Mojo]

Not really support for a second referendum: “Unbelievably, the Labour Party want to stop Brexit and want to stop us having a vote.” - Nigel Farage, BBC Breakfast, 08:36 am, 5/9/19.

 

[KDLarsen]

When I toured the Houses of Parliament on vacation in London, I was shocked by how small the House of Commons are.
Both houses of the California State Legislature in Sacramento have chambers nearly three times as big.
I understand the small size...not enough seats for every member...is a tradition,though, and we all know about the Brits and how they stick to traditions.

The worst part is, they're set to move out of the Palace of Westminster for six years due to some badly needed renovation work. And instead of building something a bit more modern and useful to work from in the meantime, they've chosen to take over a nearby building (Richmond House), gut it, and build a near-replica of the current Commons chamber, complete with lack of seats for every member and "Let's take 10 minutes to process a single vote".

 

[Worm]

The UK parliament is in dire need of modernisation is all sorts of areas. I like some tradition as much as the next fella, but clinging on to decrepit, unsuitable, impractical infrastructure is just stupid.

I was fortunate enough to dine in the Stranger's Dining Room last year and loved it. The food was great and the staff were fantastic. The place reeks of history and carries serious traditional weight behind it. But when you see how politicians are behaving these days, it's clear that the weight of history is not impeding them in any way, so lets move on, build a new parliament and leave the old one as a museum.

It goes beyond that however. They need to update the Standing Orders, chuck out Erskine May and start again. (I'm aware that this is unlikely to happen, and has many issues, but I'm talking idealistically

 

[SezMe]

A well written opinion piece that neatly aligns with my view on Boris Johnson.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/03/brexit-ultras-pantomime-boris-johnson

Leaving the direct references to Brexit aside, that's a well written description of Trump except that I suspect Trump is more a prisoner of his own imaginary world than even Johnson.