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ceptimus said:
No doubt the Spanish farmers will be very happy to accept that lorry loads of their produce will sit, rotting and unpaid for, in ports due to trading difficulties after Brexit. "It's for the good of the EU", they will say, "so we're quite happy to lose our income."
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Nope, they will have 26 other EU countries to easily sell their produce to. Twenty-six counties that will be looking for alternatives to imports from the UK.

It's not rocket science.
 
To lose one MP and the majority in the house is unfortunate. To then kick out a further 21.......

Boris now badly needs an election. He really really badly needs an election. How low would his stock fall leading a minority government forced to appease the other parties or Tory rebels.

Unless Boris decides not to kick the 21 out in which case he loses credibility.

For Boris it appears lose lose unless a complete idiot gives him the election he desperately needs. We are about to find out where Corbyn stands on the idiot scale.
 
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Apparently nothing like this has been seen in the UK since the crisis over the power of the House of Lords to veto legislatation in 1911.....
 
Lothian said:
To lose one MP and the majority in the house is unfortunate. To then kick out a further 21.......

Boris now badly needs an election. He really really badly needs an election. How low would his stock fall leading a minority government forced to appease the other parties or Tory rebels.

Unless Boris decides not to kick the 21 out in which case he loses credibility.

For Boris it appears lose lose unless a complete idiot gives him the election he desperately needs. We are about to find out where Corbyn stands on the idiot scale.
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That Johnson guy, what a defeatist.
 
Lothian said:
To lose one MP and the majority in the house is unfortunate. To then kick out a further 21.......

Boris now badly needs an election. He really really badly needs an election. How low would his stock fall leading a minority government forced to appease the other parties or Tory rebels.

Unless Boris decides not to kick the 21 out in which case he loses credibility.

For Boris it appears lose lose unless a complete idiot gives him the election he desperately needs. We are about to find out where Corbyn stands on the idiot scale.
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I am not optimistic about Corbyn, he seems to be like Boris and Donald in one thing, he seems to live in his own reality a lot of the time.
 
Here in the US, C Span is rebroadcasting the Parlimanet session today which passed the bill to force a vote.
What is amusing is that in the one minute intro they have explaining what was going on for American Audiences, they had a visual of that Statue of Cromwell in front of the Parliament building in London...
 
catsmate said:
The motion, that "the House has considered the matter of the need to take all necessary steps to ensure that the United Kingdom does not leave the European Union on 31 October 2019 without a withdrawal agreement", has passed.
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I'm so happy that Brexit has been renewed for a new season! I love this show!
 
London: Tuesday was Boris Johnson’s worst day as Prime Minister.
In chronological order, he lost his parliamentary majority, control of his Brexit strategy, his first parliamentary vote as PM, and was then forced to sack the grandson of his political idol.
This was an astonishing day. It was not just high political drama, but it has real, fundamental consequences for Britain that will play out over days, weeks, months and even years.
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What a defeatist. Prime Minister for a little over a month and he's lost control.


https://www.theage.com.au/world/eur...e-s-not-out-of-the-woods-20190904-p52nrn.html
 
I like how the group of people that grabbed power by voting against the government, blocking the brexit they claim to wish in the process now are punishing those that vote against them.

It does mirror all other populist movements in the world. Get power by promising things, regardless of how impossible they are, then forbid opposition. Hopefully the British system is strong enough to crush it in the bud, as Johnson et al did show quite clearly they have no plans and no actual clue.
 
dudalb said:
I am not optimistic about Corbyn, he seems to be like Boris and Donald in one thing, he seems to live in his own reality a lot of the time.
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It's mainly that he's not moved onfrom student politics in the 1980s, or as Liverpoolmiss says on badscience

Trouble is Corbyn, as usual. He wants an election whatever, because he thinks he can win and finally address the crucial issues facing the country, namely the 1973 Chilean coup and the rights of Palestinians in the Gaza strip. And he might be right - he's got, say, a 20% chance of winning. I think those odds will be better if the election is fought on "No Deal 31 Oct" vs "Labour negotiated exit and/or 2nd Ref". So not sure that eliminating the No Deal threat as the price of an election is actually good for Labour, tactically, more comforting though it would seem.
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The Don said:
True, but then again fruit and vegetables are easier to re-purpose and/or redirect. It doesn't change the fact that Leavers were sure that BMW and Mercedes would twist Angela Merkel's arms and Germany would force the EU to come crawling back to the negotiating table and give the UK exactly what we wanted (as soon as we worked out what that might be). The idea that Spanish farmers would do so is equally fanciful IMO.
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Equally fanciful? German carmakers are the backbone of the German economy, which is in turn the backbone of the economy of the EU.

Spanish farmers are a group of minor players in Spain, itself a fourth largest economy of the EU after Brexit. Their main improtance is in providing employment in Spain. They are important but the suggesion they would do what German carmakers were unable to do is in(s)ane.

McHrozni
 
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