Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

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ceptimus said:
They've had three years of debate already. How much time do they want?
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How much time do WHO want? If you want to put a no-deal Brexit through parliament you have had 3 years to persuade them to go for it. You failed. So now you want to just pick up your ball and run away.

I have an iota of respect for the MPs that admit they just want to stop Brexit completely. The ones that say they want to stop a no-deal Brexit are mainly liars: most of them also want to stop Brexit completely but are afraid to come out and say it.
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And how much respect do you have for the no deal Brexiteers who only want themselves and their mates to profit from it while throwing the country under the bus? Apparently more than you have for those trying to prevent it. Which says a lot about you and the rest of the Brexit mob.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Would be very hard for Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of Britain’s Labour Party, to seek a no-confidence vote against New Prime Minister Boris Johnson, especially in light of the fact that Boris is exactly what the U.K. has been looking for, & will prove to be “a great one!” Love U.K.
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I think it's trivially easy for Jeremy Corbyn to seek a no confidence vote. Successfully getting one to pass is a different matter.

I realise that this tweet is likely for internal consumption; to demonstrate to the GOP what a consummate statesman President Trump is; but I think it's cute that President Trump thinks that he's doing Boris Johnson a favour with this kind of endorsement.
 
Remainers are overreacting. Parliament will sit just four fewer days than it would have done without prorogation.
 
ceptimus said:
Remainers are overreacting. Parliament will sit just four fewer days than it would have done without prorogation.
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No, they aren't overreacting. You don't have to keep up the facade here. We already know who you are.
 
ceptimus said:
Remainers are overreacting. Parliament will sit just four fewer days than it would have done without prorogation.
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Four to six days, depending.

But there's a much deeper issue at play. Let's see if your newly-acquired research skills are up to finding it.
 
ceptimus said:
Remainers are overreacting. Parliament will sit just four fewer days than it would have done without prorogation.
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Like everything that Brexiteers say that is misleading, at best.

  1. Boris prorogues Parliament until October 17th and the Queen's Speech;
  2. Debate for Queen's Speech takes us to October 23rd-25th depending on how the Government strings it out;
  3. Boris wins Queen's Speech vote and he's quids in or;
  4. Boris loses Queen Speech, effectively a VONC, and FPTA kicks in giving him two weeks which carries him over the 31st October deadline.

It's not just four days less time, it's a very British coup. Boris knows that Corbyn derangement syndrome will prevent a VONC before then from being successful and is pretty sure that Parliament is too divided to approve a single strategy that can prevent No Deal.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Such regulations may have to be relaxed with the return of so many expats. Though it might be your mom moving back from spain and into your basement.
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Hmm...just occurred to me that this might be a plan by the Government to generate the extra money for the NHS - charge all the returning ex-pats for healthcare! We can get a US insurance company to organise it for us. Trebles all round!
 
Camillus said:
Hmm...just occurred to me that this might be a plan by the Government to generate the extra money for the NHS - charge all the returning ex-pats for healthcare! We can get a US insurance company to organise it for us. Trebles all round!
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Well, except any extra money won't be destined for the NHS - indeed the NHS will find itself unexpectedly out of pocket on the deal - instead it'll find its way onto the balance sheets of large foreign healthcare companies and their consultants. :mad:
 
The Don said:
I think it's trivially easy for Jeremy Corbyn to seek a no confidence vote. Successfully getting one to pass is a different matter.

I realise that this tweet is likely for internal consumption; to demonstrate to the GOP what a consummate statesman President Trump is; but I think it's cute that President Trump thinks that he's doing Boris Johnson a favour with this kind of endorsement.
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Honnestly aren't there more important votes to do than that anyway?
 
Camillus said:
Like everything that Brexiteers say that is misleading, at best.

  1. Boris prorogues Parliament until October 17th and the Queen's Speech;
  2. Debate for Queen's Speech takes us to October 23rd-25th depending on how the Government strings it out;
  3. Boris wins Queen's Speech vote and he's quids in or;
  4. Boris loses Queen Speech, effectively a VONC, and FPTA kicks in giving him two weeks which carries him over the 31st October deadline.

It's not just four days less time, it's a very British coup. Boris knows that Corbyn derangement syndrome will prevent a VONC before then from being successful and is pretty sure that Parliament is too divided to approve a single strategy that can prevent No Deal.
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Yep the Torries decided on no deal when the picked Johnson and really that is simply a given now.
 
ceptimus said:
Remainers are overreacting. Parliament will sit just four fewer days than it would have done without prorogation.
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Where did you get from?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49495575

"It's normal for new governments to shut down Parliament in order to hold a Queen's Speech.

The length of time varies - in 2016 Parliament was closed for four working days, while in 2014 it was closed for 13 days.

This year, Parliament would be suspended for 23 working days before the new Queen's speech on 14 October."

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-parliament-prorogation-explained

"The Queen has approved an order to suspend parliament “no earlier than Monday 9 September and no later than Thursday 12 September” until 14 October. That means prorogation could last up to 34 days."
 
Nessie said:
Where did you get from?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49495575

"It's normal for new governments to shut down Parliament in order to hold a Queen's Speech.

The length of time varies - in 2016 Parliament was closed for four working days, while in 2014 it was closed for 13 days.

This year, Parliament would be suspended for 23 working days before the new Queen's speech on 14 October."

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-parliament-prorogation-explained

"The Queen has approved an order to suspend parliament “no earlier than Monday 9 September and no later than Thursday 12 September” until 14 October. That means prorogation could last up to 34 days."
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ceptimus has deducted the days off for the conference season - although parliament could have voted to suspend that - and the 'don't normally sit on a Friday' days, though they could have suspended that too.
 
uke2se said:
It's time to take to the streets. Seriously. If not now, when?
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I seriously have trouble understanding this. The majority of parliament seems to still support Johnson and I'm not seeing the majority party coming out against this.

As an American, I thought the appeal of a parliamentary system was the ability of the majority coalition to execute their agenda. Johnson seems to be working within what the majority finds acceptable.

Why is it producing responses like this?
 
Wudang said:
A rant from Peter North who ran LeaveHQ
https://www.reddit.com/r/brexit/comments/8r512s/pete_north_editor_of_leavehq_having_a_serious/


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Supposedly serious people are ignoring what is said, assuming the EU will eventually fold and make unprecedented concessions, opening up huge holes in its own legal order for the sole benefit if the UK - because somehow the UK is special. The EU will not do this.
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eta: I like quoting him as he was the editor of Leave HQ - a very public Brexxiter and who is that mythological creature that apparently doesn't exist - a Leave voter, indeed campaigner, who says this is not the Brexit he voted for.
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Yes, I've been quoting various of his blogposts on http://eureferendum.com/

Which is a leave supporting blog.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I seriously have trouble understanding this. The majority of parliament seems to still support Johnson and I'm not seeing the majority party coming out against this.

As an American, I thought the appeal of a parliamentary system was the ability of the majority coalition to execute their agenda. Johnson seems to be working within what the majority finds acceptable.

Why is it producing responses like this?
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How would we know what the majority finds acceptable?
 
GlennB said:
On a personal note (though something similar will no doubt apply to other expats living in the EU), this was just posted on the UK embassy website in Greece.

As it stands our reciprocal healthcare expires on Dec 31st, leaving 2 months to quit to get back to the UK or face ruin if something dramatic happened (it probably won't, of course, but ...)

Item 1 has occurred to us :rolleyes:, but items 3 and 4 come as news and are rather troubling.
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'Habitual resident' simply means spending more than half the year in the UK, even if only by one day. (Six month plus one day. And maybe one more for luck.)
 
Its being reported in Scotland that Ruth Davidson is away to resign as leader of the Tories in Scotland. That would be a big problem for them I think. And another positive step towards Indy.
 
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