Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

[GlennB]

Is point #5 basically the government telling you to move into your mother's basement?

It looks rather like it, yes. Maybe some friends who'll let you sofa-surf or have room to pitch a tent in the garden. It's all getting silly, very silly.

 

[The Don]

It looks rather like it, yes. Maybe some friends who'll let you sofa-surf or have room to pitch a tent in the garden. It's all getting silly, very silly.

It's good of you to make light of such circumstances but it's more than being silly, it has the real risk of turning into a humanitarian disaster. A small proportion of the 1.3 million Brits living in the EU would place a massive strain on the NHS, housing and other local services. If a significant proportion are compelled to return then there's a real risk of it turning into something like a refugee crisis with hundreds of thousands of people, many (most ?) of whom are on fixed incomes looking for accommodation.

 

[GlennB]

It's good of you to make light of such circumstances but it's more than being silly, it has the real risk of turning into a humanitarian disaster. A small proportion of the 1.3 million Brits living in the EU would place a massive strain on the NHS, housing and other local services. If a significant proportion are compelled to return then there's a real risk of it turning into something like a refugee crisis with hundreds of thousands of people, many (most ?) of whom are on fixed incomes looking for accommodation.

Yep. Incidentally we reckoned that if we head back to Blighty we might as well pitch up close to one of our kids. Daughter lives in Brighton and that's very expensive territory, but son lives in Cardiff so we're toying with Cwmbran or somewhere down that way. Also MrsB is a Newport girl and still has some connections. We could meet up for a pint

 

[ponderingturtle]

It looks rather like it, yes. Maybe some friends who'll let you sofa-surf or have room to pitch a tent in the garden. It's all getting silly, very silly.

But is couch surfing and homeless enough to establish that you are settled in the UK enough to have right to hospital care?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Theoretically yes, but potentially-habitable basement space is not a feature of the UK's housing stock so such stereotypes over here had better hope she has a spare room.

Such regulations may have to be relaxed with the return of so many expats. Though it might be your mom moving back from spain and into your basement.

 

[The Don]

Yep. Incidentally we reckoned that if we head back to Blighty we might as well pitch up close to one of our kids. Daughter lives in Brighton and that's very expensive territory, but son lives in Cardiff so we're toying with Cwmbran or somewhere down that way. Also MrsB is a Newport girl and still has some connections. We could meet up for a pint

An actual tiny positive from a no-deal Brexit - quite possibly the only one.

 

[catsmate]

They've had three years of debate already. How much time do they want?

I have an iota of respect for the MPs that admit they just want to stop Brexit completely. The ones that say they want to stop a no-deal Brexit are mainly liars: most of them also want to stop Brexit completely but are afraid to come out and say it.

More apologism for the "democratic deficit".

 

[GlennB]

But is couch surfing and homeless enough to establish that you are settled in the UK enough to have right to hospital care?

It's unclear, but I think so. Meanwhile you'd be able to claim benefits if eligible, it seems to say.

I suspect some poor embassy employee was doing their best to clarify things while the government is in a state of total confusion.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Parliament to be suspended in September

Parliament will be suspended just days after MPs return to work in September - and only a few weeks before the Brexit deadline.

Boris Johnson said a Queen's Speech would take place after the suspension, on 14 October, to outline his "very exciting agenda".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

 

[uke2se]

Parliament to be suspended in September

Parliament will be suspended just days after MPs return to work in September - and only a few weeks before the Brexit deadline.

Boris Johnson said a Queen's Speech would take place after the suspension, on 14 October, to outline his "very exciting agenda".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

It's time to take to the streets. Seriously. If not now, when?

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

In any reasonable* world item 4, passing a "habitual residents test", would be covered by pointing out that your right to remain habitually resident elsewhere had just been taken away, leaving you no choice but to develop a new habit of residing here.

*Well, quite.

It's just a little trick to make sure you don't get benefits for 6 months.

 

[The Don]

Parliament to be suspended in September

Parliament will be suspended just days after MPs return to work in September - and only a few weeks before the Brexit deadline.

Boris Johnson said a Queen's Speech would take place after the suspension, on 14 October, to outline his "very exciting agenda".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

A very exciting agenda which involves shaking the magic money tree to fund various projects, to give a huge tax break to the companies and individuals who funded the Brexit campaign and to offset the costs of this by removing benefits from the poor, disabled and already disadvantages

 

[malbui]

It's time to take to the streets. Seriously. If not now, when?

My neighbours here concur that similar actions this side of the Channel would see hails of cobblestones at the windows of Parliament and the setting up of a guillotine in the Place de la Mairie.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

A very exciting agenda which involves shaking the magic money tree to fund various projects, to give a huge tax break to the companies and individuals who funded the Brexit campaign and to offset the costs of this by removing benefits from the poor, disabled and already disadvantages

Hey, I'm sure Boris and his friends are going to be VERY rich off of brexit

 

[ceptimus]

Do you have any evidence for this or did you pull it out of your arse?

Do you have any reason to use such offensive language or does it just flow out of your arse?

It may be a clue to you (if you bothered to try to understand) that I said "I have an iota of respect..." That would indicate to anyone attempting to understand that I was expressing my opinion - I'm not, as you would say, "making a claim".

I'll repeat it for you using different phrasing and maybe it will sink in this time. In my opinion, most MPs saying they want to stop a "no-deal" Brexit, are really opposed to any form of Brexit - but they are afraid to admit as much.

 

[catsmate]

It's time to take to the streets. Seriously. If not now, when?

It's a pity it's too late for the fiftieth anniversary. There'd have been a nice resonance. Though there's always the possibility of replying the 'Days of Rage'.

 

[Craig B]

Except, as with everything else, it's not actually the monarch's decision, so that's a red herring.

My post was intended to answer the question where prorogation originated, and these ceremonial survivals prove that it was originated by monarchs. The character of the ceremony aurrounding the operation is relevant to its origin, though as you indicate it is now a mere archaism.

 

[GlennB]

A very exciting agenda which involves shaking the magic money tree to fund various projects ...

Most of which money will be double-counting old money, but nobody will notice or care or be able to do anything about it because the Tories will have won the election and anyway a politician can't be prosecuted for lying.

Time for an early evening drink

 

[catsmate]

My neighbours here concur that similar actions this side of the Channel would see hails of cobblestones at the windows of Parliament and the setting up of a guillotine in the Place de la Mairie.

I can get you the plans, a friend of mine has built them.
Wellm more of an acquaintance really.

 

[Andy_Ross]

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