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And if Johnson loses a confidence vote he'll call an election for early Nov. Post-brexit, so presumably Farage's mob won't stand. Cunning.

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Craig B said:
You should note the formalities of the ceremony. The Commons doesn't prorogue parliament. Its is not required to vote for it or against it. The Queen does it through a commission of the Lords, and the Commons is summoned by Black Rod to be informed of it in the Lords chamber.

These archaisms clearly indicate prorogation's origin in royal prerogative, and they constitute yet another argument for the abolition of the Crown, or at least for its complete removal from every aspect of the Parliamentary process.
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Except, as with everything else, it's not actually the monarch's decision, so that's a red herring.
 
Giordano said:
That anyone would enter into a deal with Trump and not expect to be screwed big time by it amazes me. No one touched by Trump in any capacity ends up anything but far worse for it. But then again, Boris probably doesn't care about the overall or long term outcome; only the possible short term personal political advantage. And yet again, perhaps Boris is better at doing evil, reprehensible things than Trump and will be one of those few to come out ahead.
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There's an ex-Eastern Airline pilot on Quora whose account of exactly how Trump ended up owning his own 727 should be required reading for anyone thinking they can make a good deal with Trump.
 
a_unique_person said:
Wrong.

Ample time. See.
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They've had three years of debate already. How much time do they want?

I have an iota of respect for the MPs that admit they just want to stop Brexit completely. The ones that say they want to stop a no-deal Brexit are mainly liars: most of them also want to stop Brexit completely but are afraid to come out and say it.
 
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ceptimus said:
They've had three years of debate already. How much time do they want?

I have an iota of respect for the MPs that admit they just want to stop Brexit completely. The ones that say they want to stop a no-deal Brexit are mainly liars: most of them also want to stop Brexit completely but are afraid to come out and say it.
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I disagree, the pro-Brexit but anti no deal MPs just want what was promised by the Leave campaign, leaving the EU but retaining customs union and/or EEA membership.
 
On a personal note (though something similar will no doubt apply to other expats living in the EU), this was just posted on the UK embassy website in Greece.

As it stands our reciprocal healthcare expires on Dec 31st, leaving 2 months to quit to get back to the UK or face ruin if something dramatic happened (it probably won't, of course, but ...)

Item 1 has occurred to us :rolleyes:, but items 3 and 4 come as news and are rather troubling.
 

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GlennB said:
On a personal note (though something similar will no doubt apply to other expats living in the EU), this was just posted on the UK embassy website in Greece.

As it stands our reciprocal healthcare expires on Dec 31st, leaving 2 months to quit to get back to the UK or face ruin if something dramatic happened (it probably won't, of course, but ...)

Item 1 has occurred to us :rolleyes:, but items 3 and 4 come as news and are rather troubling.
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Rock, meet Hard Place....
 
ceptimus said:
They've had three years of debate already. How much time do they want?

I have an iota of respect for the MPs that admit they just want to stop Brexit completely. The ones that say they want to stop a no-deal Brexit are mainly liars: most of them also want to stop Brexit completely but are afraid to come out and say it.
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Do you have any evidence for this or did you pull it out of your arse?
 
GlennB said:
On a personal note (though something similar will no doubt apply to other expats living in the EU), this was just posted on the UK embassy website in Greece.

As it stands our reciprocal healthcare expires on Dec 31st, leaving 2 months to quit to get back to the UK or face ruin if something dramatic happened (it probably won't, of course, but ...)

Item 1 has occurred to us :rolleyes:, but items 3 and 4 come as news and are rather troubling.
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In any reasonable* world item 4, passing a "habitual residents test", would be covered by pointing out that your right to remain habitually resident elsewhere had just been taken away, leaving you no choice but to develop a new habit of residing here.

*Well, quite.
 
GlennB said:
Do you have any evidence for this or did you pull it out of your arse?
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Saying you want to prevent a disastrous No-Deal crash-out if you also want to avoid Brexit altogether is clearly contemptible and dishonourable. It's quite impossible for anyone who doesn't want Brexit to care what kind of Brexit we get. How could such a thing be? If you don't want Brexit then that must be all you care about and claiming to want to mitigate the worst of the damage is obviously just lies.

Or something.
 
Horatius said:
Is point #5 basically the government telling you to move into your mother's basement?
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Theoretically yes, but potentially-habitable basement space is not a feature of the UK's housing stock so such stereotypes over here had better hope she has a spare room.
 
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