Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

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Wudang said:
During the Troubles I used to share a flat with someone from the Creggan estate in Derry. She said that if you were a young lad there with poor employment prospects then joining a paramilitary group was your best choice for making money. Unemployment rates for poorer Cathholics continue to be well above average. Male catholic youth unemployment is 16.9%. Classic recruiting situation.
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And yet Brexiteers fail to see the problem of dragging everyone along on their economic suicide run.

Pixel42 said:
Then they shouldn't have voted to leave the EU.
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The majority of people in the UK, at least those who bothered to vote, are politically clueless and uninformed.
 
BobTheCoward said:
These last couple pages make it sound like the EU wants an open border because the terrorists want an open border.

Both the abused wife and violent husband want the their football team to win, too.
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The EU is about free movement and open borders, check out its numerous policies about such. That is why there was no conflict over the existing CTA and other freedom of movement between the UK and Ireland.

It is the Brexiteers who wanted to leave that openness and make a border with greater controls.

The EU and Ireland has then pointed out that will likely cause unrest amongst those inclined to terrorist activity and the Brexiteers have gone "la-la-la-la, it will be fine, technology or something".

The EU has no unreasonably pointed out that the UK cannot leave and have an open border at the same time, hence the need for a compromise, which is the backstop and the customs border is the Irish Sea.
 
On many back roads there is no sign of the border at all. On the main roads the border is only marked with a sign warning that speed limits are now in kph or mph and you notice the road markings are different. There is nothing like "You are now in Ireland"!

During The Troubles the back roads were often closed off by being dug up of large stones and the main roads had army check points.
 
Nessie said:
It is the Brexiteers who wanted to leave that openness and make a border with greater controls.

The EU and Ireland has then pointed out that will likely cause unrest amongst those inclined to terrorist activity and the Brexiteers have gone "la-la-la-la, it will be fine, technology or something".
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The EU and Ireland are making a bad argument there is my point.
 
Lothian said:
A lot of "Irish Terrorism" is really a cover for organised crime. The organised criminals want a hard border in that they want a large differences in prices either side of the border so they can profit by smuggling goods between the two. Of course they would rather do that without the inconvenience of a stop and search so an open border would greatly assist.

While the terrorists idea of two connected regions with very different trading relationships, rules, duties and tariffs, yet there being absolutely no controls over the border sounds totally ludicrous, may I introduce you to the UK Government's position.
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Organised crime wants an open border, not a hard border. Then they hope for price differences and smuggling is a piece of cake as the border is open and unchecked.

Fuel was a favourite to smuggle, but at the moment, round the border the price is virtually identical, Euros to pounds, just the normal small variations between individual petrol stations.
 
BobTheCoward said:
The EU and Ireland are making a bad argument there is my point.
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The EU and Ireland arguing that the Brexiteers have no solution and what they propose is likely to cause horrendous problems, is a very good argument that the Brexiteers needed to have paid attention to from the very start.

It makes no sense that you are blaming the EU and Irish for pointing out a major issue.
 
Wudang said:
During the Troubles I used to share a flat with someone from the Creggan estate in Derry. She said that if you were a young lad there with poor employment prospects then joining a paramilitary group was your best choice for making money. Unemployment rates for poorer Cathholics continue to be well above average. Male catholic youth unemployment is 16.9%. Classic recruiting situation.
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It's not just the Catholics, though is it? I've known NI Protestants with equally entrenched views. I was amazed when in Glasgow once, a bunch of Orange Men came parading through the streets with their drums, flutes and whistles to wind up the Catholic majority.
 
Nessie said:
The EU and Ireland arguing that the Brexiteers have no solution and what they propose is likely to cause horrendous problems, is a very good argument that the Brexiteers needed to have paid attention to from the very start.

It makes no sense that you are blaming the EU and Irish for pointing out a major issue.
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They are telling a domestic violence victim not to do something because their partner will hurt them.
 
BobTheCoward said:
They are telling a domestic violence victim not to do something because their partner will hurt them.
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Britain is not a domestic violence victim. Victims of domestic violence don't have half a dozen terrorist groups fighting on their behalf or security services that collude with said terrorist groups and massacre civil rights marchers.
 
Strawberry said:
Britain is not a domestic violence victim. Victims of domestic violence don't have half a dozen terrorist groups fighting on their behalf or security services that collude with said terrorist groups and massacre civil rights marchers.
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Those are still victims.
 
BobTheCoward said:
They are telling a domestic violence victim not to do something because their partner will hurt them.
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A better analogy would be advising someone not to let the violent partner they ditched some years ago back into their life.

You need to face reality and accept that unfortunately there is a violent partner to contend with, when making decisions as to what to do. You may not like it, but tough, that partner is not going away, but they can be controlled.
 
Nessie said:
A better analogy would be advising someone not to let the violent partner they ditched some years ago back into their life.

You need to face reality and accept that unfortunately there is a violent partner to contend with, when making decisions as to what to do. You may not like it, but tough, that partner is not going away, but they can be controlled.
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Then that means vetoing lawful decisions one would like to do because of the threat of unlawful violence. That legitimizes violence as an acceptable path to influence representative government.
 
Strawberry said:
No they are not. You are talking through your hole, as usual.
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I struggle to regard someone who does something stupid, despite it being made very clear to them the consequences of their actions and that their vague plan will not work, as a victim.
 
Nessie said:
I struggle to regard someone who does something stupid, despite it being made very clear to them the consequences of their actions and that their vague plan will not work, as a victim.
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Try sticking to denotation and you will be struggle free.
 
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