Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

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toto said:
Actually we leave 11pm UK time tonight, Midnight Brussels time, so that is the time to see how quiet the celebrations or other manifestations of emotion are.

It took so long because Teresa May ran what was in hindsight a poorly run and unnecessary General Election and therefore didn't have sufficient votes to get her deal through Parliament.
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And Johnson wanted to be PM and didn't have the courage to directly challenge her so spent years screwing with Brexit to get himself into number 10.
 
lomiller said:
How so? The same rules apply to chicken produced in the EU and US producers can sell to the EU simply by conforming to EU product standards.







It’s not farmers that take issue with the practice, it's consumers. Consumers object because it’s used as a substitute for cleanliness in processing and raising the animals. The only thing dipping in chlorine accomplishes is to sterilize any chicken excrement that is still on the bird, so eating it won’t make people sick. The excrement is still there and people still end up eating it.



EU standards are structured to ensure that the excrement isn’t there in the first place so ensuring it’s sterilized and eating it won't make people sick is moot.
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And it disguises the likes of salmonella.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Yeah... After all why would a customer who books my service on a ongoing basis and pays me whether they use it or not (including bank holidays) and gave me a lovely Xmas present. Instead I can have a blue passport in 5 years...
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A blue passport made in France. Be great if at the back of the passport it says "country of origin EU".
 
Vixen said:
Question: who or what has been excreting over the dead bodies of chickens?
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The guts have to be ripped out manually. Contamination of the carcass with gut contents is a given, so the outcome comes down to subsequent cleaning procedures in the factory and then cooking and handling procedures in the kitchen. Chlorine washing allows slacker factory procedures.
 
Frankly I'm far more worried about the prospect of the USA attempting to limit the power of the NHS to negotiate drug prices as part of a deal than I am about chlorinated chicken or GMOs in the food chain. Trump has made it repeatedly clear he thinks US consumers are somehow subsidizing drug prices for places like the UK. Also given its an election year in the USA how much progress will there actually be on a trade deal?
 
The theme of today's papers seems to be:

'So here we are — celebrating the dawn of the new age.'

Isn't the 'golden dawn' a far right euphemism...? New dawn my foot. More like darkness descends.
 
Vixen said:
Don't tell me what I think. The sheer impudence and presumptuousness that lies behind this personalised message....
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Umm I wasn't "telling you what you think". I was telling you what you'd written.
 
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BJ's big Brexit speech: basically nothing about Brexit, and just about how amazing the future of the UK is looking in his hands. Finally after they have gotten through with leaving the EU, the UK can now start tackling the issues that really matter to real people (unlike Brexit). Issues like stagnant wages, underfunded healthcare, social exclusion and it just goes on and on...
 
Arcade22 said:
BJ's big Brexit speech: basically nothing about Brexit, and just about how amazing the future of the UK is looking in his hands. Finally after they have gotten through with leaving the EU, the UK can now start tackling monetizing the issues that really matter to real people (unlike which they could have before Brexit). Issues like stagnant wages those kids on my lawn, underfundedprivatized healthcare, social exclusion awareness and it just goes on and on...
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Better.

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lomiller said:
Currently UK follows EU standards, so enforcing UK standards guarantees EU standards are met. The UK plans to end it's harmonization with EU standards.

This means going forward in addition to enforcing it’s own standards, the UK will require a separate process for products being exported to the EU similar to other non-EU countries like Canada.
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Dear me no, not at all. UKgov will merely offload responsibility for meeting EU standards on those companies needing to trade with the EU. After all, it is no longer a UKgov concern, is it?
 
Talking tough to try to secure a good deal. Negotiation 101. Something Theresa May was never prepared to do, but something the EU has done throughout, and will continue to do.
 
Of course negotiation 101 works a lot better from a strong position, and the UK does not have that.
But sure, threaten to harm your economy a lot. I'm sure that will work better this time.
 
ceptimus said:
Talking tough to try to secure a good deal. Negotiation 101. Something Theresa May was never prepared to do, but something the EU has done throughout, and will continue to do.
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Talking tough only works if you have leverage and credibility, Boris Johnson has neither.

ceptimus said:
The alternative is to just agree to everything the other side wants.
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Yes, which is pretty much what the UK is going to have to do in all its trade negotiations however much Little Englanders stamp their feet and demand special treatment. If the EU, which actually wants a reasonable deal, is playing hardball what do you think the USA and China are going to do?
 
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Lukraak_Sisser said:
Of course negotiation 101 works a lot better from a strong position, and the UK does not have that.
But sure, threaten to harm your economy a lot. I'm sure that will work better this time.
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The "Hold it! Next man makes a move, the ****** gets it" school of negotiation :rolleyes:
 
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