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Lukraak_Sisser said:
Well that will never happen because now that the UK has it's freedom back it will be a rules giver and not taker, so the US will just follow the UK's line.
And besides once Boris Johnson promises something he will never ever change his mind or go back on what he said right?
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Change his mind?!

That implies he actually decided when promising, as opposed to saying something that has as much weight as my saying "it's a bit parky outside ".
 
ceptimus said:
Well, we'll have to disagree on that. Uncertainty has been the biggest problem up to now - and that uncertainty was made much worse by the action of all the remainers in parliament. Thankfully the election has sidelined them, and there's now less uncertainty and should be even less this time next year. Then we'll begin to see just how bad, or how good, Brexit actually is - but it will likely take another couple of years - so 2023 - before a reasonable assessment can be made.
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There is less uncertainty now?

The no-deal Brexit has been postponed until the end of the year. The PM in charge was one of the main causes for uncertainty and chaos. He agreed a deal with the EU, then resigned over it and sabotaged ratification in Parliament for months on end, won the PM seat, renegaded on some key points he promised to keep and presented the rest as a completely new Brexit deal, while making it unlawful to extend negotiations beyond the unrealistically short 11 month transition period.

There's less uncertainty now than in November of last year, but that's not an impressive bar to set. It's also a temporary respite, come June the country will be in the exact same situation it has been for the past couple of years, but without the ability to step back and repair the damage.

There's more uncertainty than ever on Brexit.

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ceptimus said:
Well, we'll have to disagree on that. Uncertainty has been the biggest problem up to now - and that uncertainty was made much worse by the action of all the remainers in parliament. Thankfully the election has sidelined them, and there's now less uncertainty and should be even less this time next year. Then we'll begin to see just how bad, or how good, Brexit actually is - but it will likely take another couple of years - so 2023 - before a reasonable assessment can be made.
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Strange you still refer to the likes of Johnson as "remainers". That aside.

Working with a couple of companies at the moment (software projects) that are going to be very effected I can tell you that you are wrong. Everything is just as uncertain and businesses still cannot plan for leaving the transition period as they still don't know what trade agreement will be in place.
 
I note that the only industry which is receiving explicit red lines in the trade negotiations is the fishing industry which accounts for less than 0.1% of GDP and which is currently utterly reliant on the EU as its primary market.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51319257

I realise that it has significant totemic value, especially when it comes to explicit expressions of sovereignty but I find it very worrying that an industry which isn't even a rounding error on a national economic scale has such power in the negotiations.

I also note these from Laura Kuenssberg, the BBC's resident Brexit cheerleader:

That creates opportunity and extra freedoms. Laws decided in our Parliament will be supreme.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51319767

What freedoms would these be ? To dismiss people from their jobs at will, allow toxic dumping ?

But Brexit, with all its possibilities, and potential pitfalls, is now here.
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What are these "possibilities" ? If the UK ends up with trade deals which are either the same ones as we had as an EU member or on worse terms, how does this improve matters ?
 
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The Don said:
I note that the only industry which is receiving explicit red lines in the trade negotiations is the fishing industry which accounts for less than 0.1% of GDP and which is currently utterly reliant on the EU as its primary market.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51319257

I realise that it has significant totemic value, especially when it comes to explicit expressions of sovereignty but I find it very worrying that an industry which isn't even a rounding error on a national economic scale has such power in the negotiations.

I also note these from Laura Kuenssberg, the BBC's resident Brexit cheerleader:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51319767

What freedoms would these be ? To dismiss people from their jobs at will, allow toxic dumping ?



What are these "possibilities" ? If the UK ends up with trade deals which are either the same ones as we had as an EU member or on worse terms, how does this improve matters ?
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Laura Kuenssburg is a good reporter. Really knows her stuff.

UK importers and exporters (and EU same to the UK) are going to have a shock to realise they now need paperwork for customs with the country prefix added, as non-EU. It's gonna be disruptive.

I've had to comply EC goods lists to HMRC. It was pretty straightforward, just a list of suppliers outside the UK but in the EU.

That's all going to have to change with an individual prefix of each country, EU or not.

The Norn Irish are going to be fed up. It is all very well for Boris to tell them to 'just throw it in the bin', he's not the one who going to have to deal with the delays and annoyances caused by his lies.
 
Vixen said:
Laura Kuenssburg is a good reporter. Really knows her stuff.
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If she does know her stuff then she should be specific about the opportunities, possibilities and extra freedoms she sees coming from the UK's exit from the EU.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
So you've brexited now? I didn't see the fireworks and parties. Did they do it quietly in the night?


And the big question is, why couldn't this have been done sooner? :boggled:
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Actually we leave 11pm UK time tonight, Midnight Brussels time, so that is the time to see how quiet the celebrations or other manifestations of emotion are.
It took so long because Teresa May ran what was in hindsight a poorly run and unnecessary General Election and therefore didn't have sufficient votes to get her deal through Parliament.
 
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