Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[The Don]

Customs checks will be needed. Otherwise probably not much from a passenger point of view. Demand is likely to be lower as EU UK trade is likely to be lower.

I suppose it depends on how disruptive the customs checks are and how well equipped the UK is to carry them out. If we end up with a permanent "Operation Stack" on the way to the channel ports then that'll be a real pain in the behind.

It will also depend on how hard a line the UK chooses to take with passenger traffic. At the moment as long as you're not in a white van, loaded to the bump-stops then you're unlikely to be stopped. If the UK decides to take a hard line on smuggling then every car could be searched. Then again IMO it's more likely that the government will turn a blind eye to individuals' smuggling in order to lessen the delays at the ports and in order to keep people happy.

 

[The Don]

The madness of Brexit...

But Environment Secretary Theresa Villiers insisted the bill "takes back control of our waters".

She said it would enable the UK "to create a sustainable, profitable fishing industry for our coastal communities, whilst securing the long-term health of British fisheries".

She added that leaving the "failed" Common Fisheries Policy was "one of the most important benefits of Brexit".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51289388

One of the most important benefits relates to an industry which represents a fraction of one percent of GDP and where the benefits are far from clear when 80% of UK catch is currently sold to the EU.

Meanwhile much larger industries are looking at significant negative consequences.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Most fish and seafood processed in the UK comes from foreign boats and imports.
90% of it is re exported after processing to Europe.

For example. Whitby Lobsters go fresh and alive in special lorry trailers with water tanks etc to Europe.
Whitby 'Scampi' (Frozen, breadcrumbed Langoustine) is actually made from frozen prawns imported from Thailand as the local caught Langoustine is more valuable sold live to European restaurants.

 

[Steve]

Yes, but they’ll most likely be caught by the migrant salary threshold. How many narwhals are going to be earning over £30,000 a year?

Just being a narwhal should be worth at least £30,000. A fund should be set up to support them and keep them from leaving for a better offer.

 

[Lothian]

It will also depend on how hard a line the UK chooses to take with passenger traffic. At the moment as long as you're not in a white van, loaded to the bump-stops then you're unlikely to be stopped. If the UK decides to take a hard line on smuggling then every car could be searched. Then again IMO it's more likely that the government will turn a blind eye to individuals' smuggling in order to lessen the delays at the ports and in order to keep people happy.

Taking control of our borders, a key brexit pledge, might well be look the other way as people smuggle goods over the border. Until UK businesses complain about being undercut.
One of those lose lose situations.

 

[Vixen]

So it's done. Bye then.

 

[sphenisc]

Just being a narwhal should be worth at least £30,000. A fund should be set up to support them and keep them from leaving for a better offer.

There's a couple of places available in the Royal family if they're up for attending social events and flying the odd helicopter.

 

[Steve]

There's a couple of places available in the Royal family if they're up for attending social events and flying the odd helicopter.

HRH Narwhal of Sussex. Why not.

 

[The Don]

Not directly related to Brexit, though Brexit may be a factor:

UK car production sank to its lowest in almost a decade in 2019, with output forecast to continue falling this year.

Factories produced 1.3 million units last year, down 14.2% on 2018 and the third consecutive year of decline, according to figures from the Society of Motor Manufacturing and Traders.

Structural changes in the industry, Brexit uncertainty, and weak exports were all factors, the trade body said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51300835

The car industry is worried about tariffs post-Brexit:

Production of cars to be sold in the UK fell 12.3% last year, while vehicles for export fell 14.7%. With 81% of cars built for export - the vast majority sent to the European Union - Mr Hawes again stressed the importance of a barrier-free EU trade deal after Brexit.

Then again, the automotive industry is tiny compared to the service sector and the needs of the service sector are being ignored completely.

 

[The Don]

Meanwhile the BBC is saying what is going to change and not going to change post-Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51194363

Note that the things that aren't going to change; being able to use the EU lines at passport control, pet passports, EHIC cards, pensions, living and working in the EU, pensions, budget contributions and trade; aren't going to change because we'll be in an (up to 11 months long) transition period. There's absolutely no guarantee of any of it once the transition period is over.

 

[Lothian]

Meanwhile the BBC is saying what is going to change and not going to change post-Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51194363

Note that the things that aren't going to change; being able to use the EU lines at passport control, pet passports, EHIC cards, pensions, living and working in the EU, pensions, budget contributions and trade; aren't going to change because we'll be in an (up to 11 months long) transition period. There's absolutely no guarantee of any of it once the transition period is over.

The only change for the next 11 months is we lose the ability to influence the rules.

An example of our fantastic negotiating ability. We give up influence & representation and we get nothing back.

We could easily have stayed in the EU with influence until the year end.

I dare say some muppets will be celebrating this pathetic demonstration of international bargaining incompetence.

 

[3point14]

We could easily have stayed in the EU with influence until the year end.

It would have been less expensive too.

The entirety of Europe ****** up due to an internal Tory party dispute that that ephemeral **** Cameron couldn't deal with.

 

[ceptimus]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...uction-drops-to-23-year-low-on-waning-exports

http://eurometal.net/italian-car-production-falls-again/

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/25/glo...his-year-in-biggest-drop-since-recession.html

... and equally caused by Brexit: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51014588

 

[Vixen]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...uction-drops-to-23-year-low-on-waning-exports

http://eurometal.net/italian-car-production-falls-again/

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/25/glo...his-year-in-biggest-drop-since-recession.html

... and equally caused by Brexit: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51014588

It would be good netiquette for peeps to sum up what their links are about. Not everyone has time to click on sundry links.

From what I understand, if the UK fails to come to a trade agreement with the EU regarding car sales, there is likely to be a 10% tariff each way.

With the issue of non-alignment as threatened by Javid (_sp?) EU countries won't be accepting any vehicle that fails to fulfil EU technical requirements.

Importing new and used vehicles
If the UK leaves the EU and the EEA without a deal, this will entail changes to the import of vehicles type-approved by the UK Vehicle Certification Agency (VCA). After the UK leaves the EU, approvals granted by the VCA are no longer valid in the EEA. Vehicles may be type-approved by VCA even if they are imported from outside the UK. The type-approval numbers of vehicles approved by VCA begin with e11. This number can be found in the registration certificate or manufacturer's plate.

Importing used vehicles after Brexit
If a vehicle type-approved by VCA has been taken into use or registered in the UK or the EEA before a no-deal Brexit, it can be approved based on the VCA approval without evidence of it being placed on the market. The date when the vehicle was taken into use or registered can be found on the vehicle's foreign registration certificate.

If a vehicle type-approved by VCA has been taken into use or registered in the UK or the EEA after a no-deal Brexit, you must present evidence of the vehicle being placed on the market. This evidence may include, for example, commercial documents, such as sales agreements, invoices or consignment notes. A certificate of conformity (CoC) alone is not considered sufficient evidence. Compliance with technical requirements can be proved with documents on component approval. These can be obtained from the vehicle manufacturer or VCA. [Vixen: UK Vehicle Certification Agency]

Importing new vehicles after Brexit
Vehicles type-approved by VCA before a no-deal Brexit can be granted individual approval in Finland after Brexit, if they meet the relevant technical requirements. This can be proved with documents on component approval. These can be obtained from the vehicle manufacturer or VCA.

Type-approvals granted by VCA after a no-deal Brexit are not valid in Finland. Individual approval and evidence on conformity is required in Finland. For more information on the documents required for the vehicle in question, please contact a vehicle inspection station that grants individual approvals.

https://www.traficom.fi/en/transport/liikennejarjestelma/impact-brexit-uk-citizens-finland

Hmmm. I am getting a new car in Spring. Looks like it might be unwise to buy a British model.

 

[Lothian]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...uction-drops-to-23-year-low-on-waning-exports

http://eurometal.net/italian-car-production-falls-again/

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/25/glo...his-year-in-biggest-drop-since-recession.html

... and equally caused by Brexit: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51014588

You have missed the point yet again. The article above makes clear that the UK industry has seen a 12% drop. That is while we are members of the EU with no tariffs or barriers to EU trade. It appears in line with other countries trends. However 4 out of every 5 cars made in the UK leave our shores with most going to the EU. If tariffs are added that will have an effect on top of the worldwide slump and could question the viability of a domestic car industry.

You seem to lack understanding how the way we trade with the EU now will be affected post transition. Brexit doesn't affect everything but the basics of price and demand and international taxes is not a difficult subject to grasp. Is your ignorance feigned or do you really not understand?

 

[ceptimus]

You have missed the point yet again. The article above makes clear that the UK industry has seen a 12% drop. That is while we are members of the EU with no tariffs or barriers to EU trade. It appears in line with other countries trends. However 4 out of every 5 cars made in the UK leave our shores with most going to the EU. If tariffs are added that will have an effect on top of the worldwide slump and could question the viability of a domestic car industry.

You seem to lack understanding how the way we trade with the EU now will be affected post transition. Brexit doesn't affect everything but the basics of price and demand and international taxes is not a difficult subject to grasp. Is your ignorance feigned or do you really not understand?

How patronizing. You really do think you're smart, don't you?

You'll be able to see the ACTUAL results of Brexit if you just wait patiently for another few years. Then we'll know who was right.

 

[Lothian]

How patronizing. You really do think you're smart, don't you?

No, fairly average, but you clearly missed the point of the article. I was wondering if that was deliberate?

You'll be able to see the ACTUAL results of Brexit if you just wait patiently for another few years. Then we'll know who was right.

I don't think we need to wait that long. We are seeing some of the results before we have left. They don't hide well.

 

[ceptimus]

I don't think we need to wait that long. We are seeing some of the results before we have left. They don't hide well.

Well, we'll have to disagree on that. Uncertainty has been the biggest problem up to now - and that uncertainty was made much worse by the action of all the remainers in parliament. Thankfully the election has sidelined them, and there's now less uncertainty and should be even less this time next year. Then we'll begin to see just how bad, or how good, Brexit actually is - but it will likely take another couple of years - so 2023 - before a reasonable assessment can be made.

 

[Lothian]

Well, we'll have to disagree on that... but it will likely take another couple of years - so 2023 - before a reasonable assessment can be made.

That fall from a booming Economy to the worst in the G7 is in spite of £70bn of quantative easing, 8 years worth of EU funding in lieu of an emergency budget. We have also seen 7000 finance jobs move from the city to the EU. Many businesses have gone under. 10,000 EU national have left the NHS, which has record numbers of nursing vacancies.
True we have yet to see the worst of brexit but we have seen the direction.

 

[Andy_Ross]

US insists chlorinated chicken must be on menu in any UK trade agreement

Chlorinated chicken must be part of a post-Brexit trade agreement, the US secretary of state says – insisting that will make it a “really good deal” for British shoppers.

Mike Pompeo confirmed that Washington will demand the inclusion of its controversial agricultural products, despite Boris Johnson insisting he will not let them in if they lower standards.

Asked if the row over the chlorine-washed chicken would be “the biggest barrier” to a deal, Mr Pompeo agreed the issue would be “real contentious” – but warned US farmers would demand it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...deal-boris-johnson-pompeo-trump-a9310081.html