Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[abaddon]

That's an interesting issue. Seems to me the funds would need to be ring-fenced. There'll need to be a safeguard against misappropriation.

Great. What "ring-fences" has boris commited to? None.

In addition, if it now becomes a charitable donation rather than for a specific aim, then there is gift aid to be added on if you can, which'd mean getting a GA declaration from all those who donated. It'll need to give donors the option of a refund of their money.

Whee. And you fall for the distraction. Good luck. The team you elected could not figure their way out of a paper bag let alone negotiate a trade deal with a mollusc.

 

[catsmate]

It now knows what a narwhal tusk is.

Pity there are no narwhals in UK waters.

 

[Steve]

Pity there are no narwhals in UK waters.

Give it time.

 

[Darat]

Pity there are no narwhals in UK waters.

Now we are out of the EU we can get rid of those pesky EU regulations banning narwhals from UK waters.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Reminds me of the Deepwater Horizon environmental response plan that discussed the impact on wildlife.

Someone noticed a lot of mentions of animals more familiar to an arctic climate. Sure enough large portions had been lifted right out of a report on a previous oil spill. The report as a whole was largely boilerplate pablum.

Nobody actually had to sit around, discuss, brainstorm, or research facts to generate that report. It wasn't just not intended to be taken seriously as an informative outlay, it flat out wasn't meant to be read, let alone ingested or processed by critical minds and people in positions of authority to make anything happen at all.

 

[The Don]

Last autumn's government "Get Ready for Brexit" Campaign has come in for criticism:

A multi-million pound publicity blitz to prepare the public for leaving the EU appears to have had little impact, a spending watchdog has said.

The National Audit Office said £46m was spent on the "Get ready for Brexit" campaign ahead of the UK's expected departure at the end of last October.

Of course it's really difficult to prepare for something when we have no idea what it's going to be like.

It sounds to me like the government is gearing up to blame individuals and companies for failing to prepare effectively for Brexit when they run into problems.

 

[Andy_Ross]

The Times thinks the European Court of Justice is in Strasbourg and puts this as a headline on its front page


"EU Demands it's Judges keep control after Brexit, Strasbourg would rule on future UK trade rights"

 

[GlennB]

It sounds to me like the government is gearing up to blame individuals and companies for failing to prepare effectively for Brexit when they run into problems.

You missed out the EU itself and remain voters. And the 10 Downing Street cat, the local road cleaner, bus drivers and school dinner ladies.

 

[Vixen]

Does "it"?

What does "it" refer to? UKGov? Pretty clear it can't find bum with both hands. So what "it"?

The subject of the question:

"Does the UK even know what a fisheries department does?"

should adequately inform you as to what the 'it' in the answer refers to.

 

[Vixen]

Great. What "ring-fences" has boris commited to? None.

Whee. And you fall for the distraction. Good luck. The team you elected could not figure their way out of a paper bag let alone negotiate a trade deal with a mollusc.

Not me, guv.

 

[Vixen]

The Times thinks the European Court of Justice is in Strasbourg and puts this as a headline on its front page


"EU Demands it's Judges keep control after Brexit, Strasbourg would rule on future UK trade rights"

Haha It has confused the ECJ with the ECHR (human rights).

Oh well, nice to know even the TIMES can get it wrong (remembering the grief I got from this forum for mistakingly thinking Strasbourg was in Switzerland).

ECJ is in Luxemburg.

 

[Vixen]

You missed out the EU itself and remain voters. And the 10 Downing Street cat, the local road cleaner, bus drivers and school dinner ladies.

It's certainly taking the 'peace' with its offer of prosperity and friendship with all nations. Except the frogs and the krauts, of course.

 

[The Don]

The Times thinks the European Court of Justice is in Strasbourg and puts this as a headline on its front page


"EU Demands it's Judges keep control after Brexit, Strasbourg would rule on future UK trade rights"

For all it's exalted reputation as a newspaper, when push comes to shove it's still a Murdoch rag. IMO one should lower one's expectations regarding factual accuracy accordingly.

 

[The Don]

Great. What "ring-fences" has boris commited to? None.

Whee. And you fall for the distraction. Good luck. The team you elected could not figure their way out of a paper bag let alone negotiate a trade deal with a mollusc.

Not me, guv.

To be fair to Vixen, it was me who was wondering whether a fund set up to restore the bongs to Big Ben for Brexit could seamlessly be diverted to fund Help for Heroes instead (though IMO that would be a better use for the money).

I haven't been sufficiently bothered to find out how the money was being raised. If, for example, I set up a GoFundMe ostensibly to pay for medical treatment and instead decide to spend it all on hookers and blow, do those who have donated have any come back ?

In the case of the bong campaign, the organisers have said that they were always clear that any excess money, or all money if the campaign was unsuccessful, would be donated to HfH. IMO it's a better result than wasting the money on useless bongs.

 

[Darat]

Last autumn's government "Get Ready for Brexit" Campaign has come in for criticism:



Of course it's really difficult to prepare for something when we have no idea what it's going to be like.

It sounds to me like the government is gearing up to blame individuals and companies for failing to prepare effectively for Brexit when they run into problems.

Quite seriously, which campaign?

 

[Darat]

I genuinely am feeling very sad this week, I feel I am losing a hell of a lot with nothing in compensation. From Saturday I'll simply have less opportunities and less rights. Bummer.

 

[Pixel42]

I haven't been sufficiently bothered to find out how the money was being raised. If, for example, I set up a GoFundMe ostensibly to pay for medical treatment and instead decide to spend it all on hookers and blow, do those who have donated have any come back ?

I'm now imagining a parallel, far superior, universe in which FoolMeWunz came out of his coma and did just that.

I genuinely am feeling very sad this week, I feel I am losing a hell of a lot with nothing in compensation. From Saturday I'll simply have less opportunities and less rights. Bummer.

We're all poorer, not just financially, as a result of this insane act of self harm. I've bought an EU flag, which I plan to put in my window on Friday.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I've bought an EU flag, which I plan to put in my window on Friday.

I will do absolutely nothing to mark the date of the UK leaving the EU. Life will, most likely, just get a tiny bit ********, but I'll just carry on living the best life I can in the circumstances I'm faced with, and let that be my response.

Dave

 

[Ian Osborne]

There's a campaign to get Ode to Joy in the charts for Brexit. I didn't bother buying it.

 

[The Don]

I genuinely am feeling very sad this week, I feel I am losing a hell of a lot with nothing in compensation. From Saturday I'll simply have less opportunities and less rights. Bummer.

I'll have fewer opportunities and fewer rights but the sentiment's the same.

Of course we'll be in a transition period for most, if not all, of 2020 so we shouldn't expect to see any changes, except perhaps not being able to go through the "EU Passports" line on our European trips.

This will allow Brexiteers to assert that any concerns about negative consequences are just Project Fear ^TM, as they have for the past three years or so. The real problems will start to surface in 2021 at which point they are far enough away from the referendum to be disconnected in peoples minds.

Even then I think it'll be a case of things gradually getting worse rather than OMFG DISASTER !!1!!!!11!!!!!

In 15/20 years instead of being economically on a par with Germany, The Netherlands and Scandinavia, we'll be on a par with Spain, Portugal and the more successful former Eastern-bloc countries. There won't be a sudden economic collapse, just an ongoing 1% or so brake on growth.