Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[The Don]

Meanwhile the UK is reportedly preparing for a breakdown in talks with the EU.

The UK government is preparing for a breakdown in talks with the EU over Brexit this week, according to No 10.

A government official told the BBC the EU had not shown a desire to "budge one centimetre" since Boris Johnson submitted new proposals to Brussels.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49970267

Of course when your negotiating approach is "Here are our (unworkable) plans - take them or leave them" then that doesn't seem to leave much room for negotiation.

 

[Greebo]

Meanwhile the UK is reportedly preparing for a breakdown in talks with the EU.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49970267

Of course when your negotiating approach is "Here are our (unworkable) plans - take them or leave them" then that doesn't seem to leave much room for negotiation.

And then take the default position of "We tried, but it's all the EUs fault"

 

[Klimax]

That explains sudden extra drop on Forex.

 

[The Don]

And then take the default position of "We tried, but it's all the EUs fault"

Sadly that will work on at least 50% of the UK population who will end up blaming the EU for everything and as a result will make bad decisions for a couple of generations

 

[The Don]

Things have progressed a step further now

A No 10 source says a Brexit deal is "essentially impossible" after a call between the PM and Angela Merkel.

Boris Johnson spoke to the German chancellor earlier about the proposals he put forward to the EU - but the source said she made clear a deal based on them was "overwhelmingly unlikely".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49970267

Looks like Boris Johnson will get his no deal Brexit after all

 

[GlennB]

Things have progressed a step further now



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49970267

Looks like Boris Johnson will get his no deal Brexit after all

The Benn law?

 

[Dave Rogers]

Sadly that will work on at least 50% of the UK population who will end up blaming the EU for everything and as a result will make bad decisions for a couple of generations

End up? That was their starting point.

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

The Benn law?

Presumably the traditional party of law and order isn't planning to follow the law. I'm struggling to work out in what sense Boris can be described by the adjective "conservative."

Dave

 

[The Don]

The Benn law?

What about it ?

Boris Johnson could simply ignore it and let the dice fall where they may.

He could ask for an extension in a way that makes it impossible to grant.

He could rely on the EU refusing an extension.

He could reject the terms of any extension.

Sadly the default outcome is still a no-deal Brexit and as the craven MPs' desperation to get behind Boris Johnson's latest non-offer to the EU shows, there is no appetite whatsoever to cancel Brexit, or find a realistic deal so a no deal it is

 

[Darat]

The Benn law?

If the extension is not in place by 31/10 we leave, that is a matter of UK legislation, the folk trying to get a further extension are not going to get the request to the EU and agreed before then.

We are leaving 31st October.

May as well get used to the idea.

 

[McHrozni]

Things have progressed a step further now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49970267

Looks like Boris Johnson will get his no deal Brexit after all

That depends. He's obligated to send the letter unless Parliament agrees to no deal Brexit. If EU agrees to an extension he'll get his other great wish, an election. Except it would be with him being the man who extended Brexit, so that's a bummer.

The election is a wildcard. Electoral calculus predicts a Tory majority of 12. That could be reduced if there is a swing from Tory to Brexit or LibDem or if those 20+ MPs that were kicked out of Conservatives stand to steal Tory votes.

Anything can happen, but it's definitely a major condemnation of Corbyn and his incompetence.

McHrozni

 

[Lothian]

I'm struggling to work out in what sense Boris can be described by the adjective "conservative."

Dave

He tries to **** as many people as possible.

 

[Darat]

Presumably the traditional party of law and order isn't planning to follow the law. I'm struggling to work out in what sense Boris can be described by the adjective "conservative."



Dave

Difference between conservative with a big C and little c.

 

[ceptimus]

Of course when your negotiating approach is "Here are our (unworkable) plans - take them or leave them" then that doesn't seem to leave much room for negotiation.

True for both sides. The EU's treaty is unacceptable for the UK parliament, the UK government's proposal is unacceptable for the EU.

The question the EU should really be asking themselves is which is the more unacceptable to them: Boris's proposed deal or no deal - and then choose the lesser of two evils. But Benn's Bill has given them a third option to cling to - the hope that we will eventually agree to remain.

 

[Darat]

He tries to **** as many people as possible.

That's a tad unfair, he's about making the world better for his mates! That may mean he has to **** all over everyone else but hey that can't be helped.

 

[Darat]

True for both sides. The EU's treaty is unacceptable for the UK parliament, the UK government's proposal is unacceptable for the EU.

The question the EU should really be asking themselves is which is the more unacceptable to them: Boris's proposed deal or no deal - and then choose the lesser of two evils. But Benn's Bill has given them a third option to cling to - the hope that we will eventually agree to remain.

Interesting bit of goal post changing in mid flow. Both sides and then you mention a third side...

 

[catsmate]

<gibber snip>

Anyone seen a set of goalposts anywhere? The have been somewhat odd looking....

 

[Lothian]

True for both sides. The EU's treaty is unacceptable for the UK parliament, the UK government's proposal is unacceptable for the EU.

The question the EU should really be asking themselves is which is the more unacceptable to them: Boris's proposed deal or no deal - and then choose the lesser of two evils. But Benn's Bill has given them a third option to cling to - the hope that we will eventually agree to remain.

I think the EU have always hoped that we would remain. Given the split in what leavers want remaining forms the most popular relationship with the EU amongst UK voters.
If you have a chance for the best outcome for both sides why would you take it off the table?

 

[Arcade22]

Farmers will feel "betrayed" by a government plan not to impose tariffs on the majority of goods entering the UK in the event of a no-deal Brexit, the National Farmers Union has said.

The government has announced it will not tax 88% of imports into the UK.

The NFU said without a Brexit deal its members face tariffs on exports while overseas rivals will not be taxed.

"The prime minister has missed a real opportunity to back British farmers," said NFU chief Minette Batters.

The government published its updated proposed tariff regime ahead of the UK's scheduled departure from the European Union on 31 October.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49970197

RIP British agriculture.

 

[The Don]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49970197

RIP British agriculture.

The only way that UK agriculture will be able to survive post-Brexit will be for the UK government to heavily subsidise it. Unfortunately this means that the EU will introduce heavy tariffs to counteract those subsidies which will kill our biggest export market