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Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero
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SezMe
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Why would Johnson want another general election? Didn't May try that, to her dismay. Also, didn't this whole fracas start with Blair calling for a referendum that he thought would strengthen his position only to get defeated? History seems to suggest it's a risky strategy. <-- assuming my memory is correct.
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Because he has no majority and is unable to get legislation passed. The only way to get anything through the House of Commons right now is for the Labour and Conservative parties to agree on it. Unfortunately Brexit is one topic where they can never agree, and that's why we have the ongoing stalemate that's harming everyone.
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Their latest ploy seems to be to claim that it was Parliament that requested the extension, not Boris.
ETA: Hang on, now it was Diane Abbot and the Labour Party.
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P.J. Denyer
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Johnson will just answer ever question & criticism with "Give me an election". It will be politics by the nagging of a five year old, in a sane country this behaviour would rapidly render him unelectable. Of course in a sane country his history of compulsive lying covering his entire working life would have done that.
"Dad, can we go to Duff Gardens"
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Because he thinks, possibly quite rightly, he can win a majority and once he has that he can drive the country into the gutter to benefit himself and his rich cronies. He has ideologically cleansed the party and cabinet so he can drive through whatever he wants if he gets the numbers.
At the minute the only thing holding off the disaster is the fact that the opposition aren't giving him the election he wants. I guess the thinking is that the longer he is rendered impotent the more the Brexit party might gain but it could well have the opposite effect if he is seen as being the guy who is standing up for Brexit against the tide of Parliament trying to stop it.
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I think you're assuming a level of wise decision-making that has not thus far been evident.
I'm not sure "thinking" is the word I'd use for British opposition right now. Not for Labour at least.
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That has changed since Sajid Javid's car crash interview on R4 this morning.
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Oh whatever party of whatever colour or competence one thing can be assured that they do think about - winning the next election.
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This seems to be standard practice now. Say something, immediately contradict it, say something else, contradict that, say another different thing and then do something else entirely.
I guess its just so people can pick and choose what answer they like and it can be cut down into clips for Facebook later.
To be fair they are quite hard to tell apart politically.....
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Oh, do tell.
EU agrees to delay, but no date yet:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50175914
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50175914
Also, this morning on 5Live, an MP (assume labour) was lamenting how BJohnson has been pulling the debate from Parliament repeatedly. I'm probably misremembering the exact wording, but basically he was saying that they want to debate this, but Boris keeps stopping them. If we want to get it done, we should be blaming him for time wasting not, the opposition parties.
How much does he want a no deal?
Sure there's plenty of analogies for this.
How much does he want a no deal?
Sure there's plenty of analogies for this.
Exactly.
Very scary.
Yes, Johnson has no majority, but it is the Conservative party which still has the most MPs in the House of Commons, so Boris is still the logical Prime Minister. He is not the only one leading a minority government (other examples in Europe: Sanchez government in Spain, Michel government in Belgium ...).
It seems to me Johnson's logical priorities should be an in-depth debate in Parliament of the new Brexit deal, which has already been approved once, and avoiding no-deal.
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