Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[wobs]

A minor correction. Not all "baby boomers" voted leave.
I do sometimes get tired of being lumped in with the rest of them.

On another (totally different) point, I recently, finally, got around to transferring some money into my French account. I should have done it months ago, before the pound nose dived, but I still don't know (of course)which way it will go in the future. In a way I would of course like a recovery in the pounds value, even if it means I lose out.

Dave

Such statements are for brevity. A bit like saying northern working class towns voted leave (such as where I live), but I voted remain.

Also, my MinL voted remain, but is of the age that voted leave. Whereas my parents voted leave.

Of course many of us know instances where such sterotypes are and are not, as these lines are blurred. Which is one of the reasons why I'm not a fan of letting leave areas or demograhics to rot.

 

[SezMe]

There's even the possibility of having multiple options; vote in order of your choice Leave with no deal, Leave with Deal #1, Leave with Deal #2, Remain.Though that might be too complicated for Brits.

We (USA) recently had a test of that. The state of Maine recently switched to ranked choice voting in their state-wide elections. I, too, thought the concept would result in a LOT of spoiled ballots. That turned out not to be the case and the ranking did have an effect on one race.

Now, I recognize that Maine is a small state with basically only one media market so citizen education was probably easier than in a much larger, far more diverse population. Nonetheless, it augers well for expanded use of such a voting technique. It's much better that FPTP.

 

[catsmate]

I think that is what I am advocating, albeit PR is used to fill many seats not one.

Sorry I was getting confused between the use of multiple-choice voting for elections and referenda.

 

[catsmate]

Look... the only way this is going to work is to simply partition the island. Let all the local authorities that voted to Remain remain in the EU and those that voted Leave can leave. A few house moves later everyone gets what they want.

Seems flawless to me.

Still better than crashing out...

 

[catsmate]

We (USA) recently had a test of that. The state of Maine recently switched to ranked choice voting in their state-wide elections. I, too, thought the concept would result in a LOT of spoiled ballots. That turned out not to be the case and the ranking did have an effect on one race.

Now, I recognize that Maine is a small state with basically only one media market so citizen education was probably easier than in a much larger, far more diverse population. Nonetheless, it augers well for expanded use of such a voting technique. It's much better that FPTP.

Yeah, if you do a bit of education people understand it readily. Also it makes elections more interesting, as well as representative of what people want.

 

[Vixen]

We've already let the public make a political decision. The only way to end up with a result that most people can live with is to allow them to make a slightly more informed decision.

Yeah, like, ''Oo cares? Let's just get it done and get out, now'.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Yeah, like, ''Oo cares? Let's just get it done and get out, now'.

What do you propose as a better solution?

 

[jimbob]

Yeah, like, ''Oo cares? Let's just get it done and get out, now'.

That is now the minority view, snd if there was a confirmatory referendum, it would be seen to be.

 

[a_unique_person]

Boris is going to present a deal that is remarkably similar to Mays deal and the DUP will reject it. This is like being stuck in an episode of "The Twilight Zone".

 

[SezMe]

Groundhog Day.

 

[Vixen]

Boris is going to present a deal that is remarkably similar to Mays deal and the DUP will reject it. This is like being stuck in an episode of "The Twilight Zone".

Only this time, the ERG plan to back it.

 

[Vixen]

What do you propose as a better solution?

Revoke Article 50. MP's are there to represent their constituents and the best interests of the country. Let's not have mob rule. History has shown it to be a bad idea (Russia 1917 and Germany 1930's).

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Revoke Article 50. MP's are there to represent their constituents and the best interests of the country. Let's not have mob rule. History has shown it to be a bad idea (Russia 1917 and Germany 1930's).

Surely the aim will be to have a solution that everybody can live with, even if nobody is entirely happy? Do you honestly see MPs revoking Article 50 without a referendum being an end of the matter?

 

[ponderingturtle]

If Putin's goal...and I think it was....was to throw the two oldest Western Democracies into chaos, mission accomplished.

Is the Althing of iceland not western or not a democracy? It goes back plenty of centuries further.

 

[Ian Osborne]

According to today's news, BoJo has said he'll request an extension for Brexit if he can't get his deal through. So much for rather being dead in a ditch.

 

[Hubert Cumberdale]

Surely the aim will be to have a solution that everybody can live with, even if nobody is entirely happy? Do you honestly see MPs revoking Article 50 without a referendum being an end of the matter?

Revocation needs to be done to stop the clock.

As all the brexiteers claimed during the referendum, this is not something to rushed into without careful planning (note that they immediately rushed into A50 with no plans and no prep, which is why we are where we are).

We can then have a series of indicative confirmatory referendums (referendi? referenda?)

As in

1. Do we still want to leave? If no then revocation stays in place.

2. If yes then how do we want to leave? With further questions on leaving or remaining in the SM, keeping or scrapping FoM and so on.

As it is, everything has become so polarised that NO ONE will be anything other than deeply upset about ANYTHING.

Which, by the way, is one reason why Brexit is such a **** idea in the first place - every time you write your plans down, Brexit looks like ****. Hence the drive to no deal, because that's the only way to leave without writing anything down.

 

[Information Analyst]

Mind you, since in this case there is a single outcome to be determined, the use of a single transferable vote would then equate to the AV system, which was rejected by a referendum in 2011. So we couldn't do this without violating the will of the people as expressed in 2011.

But that only applied to Parliamentary elections. Supplementary voting has been used for London Mayoral elections since 2000.

 

[Information Analyst]

Look... the only way this is going to work is to simply partition the island. Let all the local authorities that voted to Remain remain in the EU and those that voted Leave can leave. A few house moves later everyone gets what they want.

Seems flawless to me.

Safe within the M25, but stuffs our intended relocation to Hull in a few years...

 

[Lothian]

Safe within the M25, but stuffs our intended relocation to Hull in a few years...

Lucky escape.

 

[Information Analyst]

Lucky escape.

Not really, for me it's going home, and for Mrs C it's more financially appealing than staying here, or even moving to her bit of Kent.