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ceptimus said:
A united Ireland would solve the border issue completely. Shame it didn't happen years ago. It would have greatly simplified Brexit, as well as removing the financial drain that Northern Ireland imposes on the rest of the UK (England really, because Scotland and Wales are also drains).

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I have no doubt that every right-thinking Brexiter lives for the day that their proud country can be freed of the crippling shackles of NI, Scotland, and Wales (and mebbe Cornwall?), and be free to stand as a single language, interloper free England, ready to take its deserved place in the pantheon of nations.

And I wish them well and all success in their endeavor.

The sooner, the better.
 
Lothian said:
We knew a lot of brexiteers are xenophobic racists. It is nice when they confirm their hatred for anyone who is not a little Englander.
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Huh. I searched high and low for evidence of xenophobia and hatred in ceptimus' post and came up with nothing. Now you might be right about many Brexiteers having such qualities but I've never seen it from ceptimus.
 
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Once again the government has had to revise its position once its promises have come into contact with reality:

The government has told businesses frictionless trade with the EU will end this year with the introduction of import checks at the UK border.

EU trade will not be waved through with zero checks which had been the plan under a no-deal Brexit.

Traders will not be able to use special arrangements to lodge new paperwork after a grace period at a later date.

Officials said firms will have enough notice to prepare for changes in time for 1 January.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51453189

They really are making it up as they go along. :mad:

The "£350m a week" will be dwarfed by the cost to business of attempting to cope with the new situation.
 
Meanwhile in part of the fishing industry - the tail that is wagging the Brexit dog so to speak:

Salmon farmers face "huge unnecessary burdens" and a loss of market share under UK government plans for Brexit.

The chief executive of the Scottish Salmon Producers Organisation (SSPO) said firms were being told to prepare for trade barriers with the EU.

The industry is also warning that added red tape could see £9m on costs and delays to the departure of fresh fish.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-51437666

Remember all that Brussels red tape that was stifling industry (but which seemed so elusive when concrete examples were called for), well as Bachman Turner Overdrive might say "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet".

SSPO chief executive Julie Hesketh-Laird said planned changes would require salmon farmers to have an export health certificate for every consignment, signed by a vet or health official.
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Meanwhile in part of the fishing industry - the tail that is wagging the Brexit dog so to speak:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-51437666

Remember all that Brussels red tape that was stifling industry (but which seemed so elusive when concrete examples were called for), well as Bachman Turner Overdrive might say "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet".
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It is all very well us taking back control of our fishing stock but as we know most fish we catch are exported and cost may become the most important factor. Tariffs on fish go up to 23%. If we don't get a deal will the EU want to buy as much fish if they have to pay 23% more. Does the UK want to change the fish we eat? It is easy to see how we could end up having control of our waters but a smaller fishing industry as it becomes less economically viable.
 
Lothian said:
It is all very well us taking back control of our fishing stock but as we know most fish we catch are exported and cost may become the most important factor. Tariffs on fish go up to 23%. If we don't get a deal will the EU want to buy as much fish if they have to pay 23% more. Does the UK want to change the fish we eat? It is easy to see how we could end up having control of our waters but a smaller fishing industry as it becomes less economically viable.
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As with so much to do with Brexit, the position presented by those in favour eventually turns out to be far more complicated and the UK has far more to lose than was initially expected.

I get that the fishing industry has great emotional leverage for people in the UK but for an industry which accounts for around 0.1% of GDP to have one of the five red lines seems ridiculous to me. Even if regaining control of our waters were to usher in some new dawn for the UK fishing industry it would hardly be a rounding error nationally and it seems that playing hardball over fishing quotas will actually have a large detrimental effect.

Once again an example of what happens when lying propaganda comes into contact with reality.
 
Lothian said:
It is all very well us taking back control of our fishing stock but as we know most fish we catch are exported and cost may become the most important factor. Tariffs on fish go up to 23%. If we don't get a deal will the EU want to buy as much fish if they have to pay 23% more. Does the UK want to change the fish we eat? It is easy to see how we could end up having control of our waters but a smaller fishing industry as it becomes less economically viable.
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Don't be daft. We can get rid of those EU regulations that stopped us from cutting costs to the bone, then we can undercut those anti business EU countries... What you mean they won't buy our cheaper fish because it isn't up to their standards, well we will teach them a lesson, we will boycott them!
 
A Northerner goes into a bar in London where there is a robot bartender. The robot says, “What will you have?”
The guy replies, “Whiskey.”
The robot brings back his drink and asks, “What’s your I.Q.?”
The guy says, “168.”
The robot continues to talk about physics, space exploration, and medical technology.
After the guy leaves and the more he thinks about it, the more curious he gets, so he decides to go back.

The robot asks, “What’s your drink?”
The guy answers, “Whiskey.”
The robot returns with his drink and asks, “What’s your I.Q.?”
The man replies, “100.”
The robot talks about Football, Manchester United, and Cricket.
The man finishes his drink, leaves, but is so interested in his “experiment” that he decides to try again.

He enters the bar and, as usual, the robot asks him what he want to drink.
The man replies, “Whiskey.”
The robot brings the drink and asks, “What’s your IQ?”The man answers, “50.”
The robot leans in real close and asks,
“So . . . are . . . you people . . . still happy . . . with Brexit?”
 
Pixel42 said:
Racist is not really the right word for someone who is prejudiced against all "foreigners" (i.e. everyone who doesn't look and sound like them) even if they're the same race or nationality, but I can understand why some might use it as shorthand. Tribalist might be a better word.
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So the nazis were not really racist, but Tribalist?

Naa racist works fine.
 
ponderingturtle said:
So the nazis were not really racist, but Tribalist?

Naa racist works fine.
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There are shades across the brexiteer population. I am sure there are some who are neither xenophobic or racist.

However a lot of the discussions around the time of Brexit focused on immigration and foreigners ruining the country and only coming here to take advantage of our generous benefits system. Thus despite the fact that immigrants net financial contribution was higher per capita than domestic. Xenophobia covers a lot of that.

You also have the racists. The BNP, Britain First and other racist groups backed brexit. Then there is the UKIP example I gave earlier with the racist poster.
 
Johnson's 'Australia-style' trade deal

"Ursula von der Leyen has mocked Boris Johnson’s claims to be willing to accept an Australian-style trade deal with the EU by reminding MEPs that no such agreement exists.

“Australia without any doubt is a strong and a like-minded partner,” Von der Leyen told MEPs. “But the European Union does not have a trade agreement with Australia. We are currently trading on WTO terms. And if this is the British choice, well, we are fine with that without any question.” "

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I'm sure he knows this, so is it just more Trumpism at work?
 
GlennB said:
I'm sure he knows this, so is it just more Trumpism at work?
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Yes, "no-deal" is being re-branded "Australian Deal" for reasons that I outlined upthread i.e.:

  • Australians are "just like us", therefore trustworthy so any deal they have must be equally suitable for the UK
  • The Australian economy has weathered the post-2008 economic downturn well so any deal the Australians have must be good for the economy

Which ignores the huge differences between the UK and Australian economies, which each has as major trading partners and that the Australia of the 2020s isn't the same as the Australia of the Doctor Blake Mysteries.
 
Sajid Javid interview
We are not going to have completely frictionless trade because we have left the customs union & the single market and that's a deliberate decision. We've been clear that there will be some changes
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Pixel42 said:
Racist is not really the right word for someone who is prejudiced against all "foreigners" (i.e. everyone who doesn't look and sound like them) even if they're the same race or nationality, but I can understand why some might use it as shorthand. Tribalist might be a better word.
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The Great Roger Scruton (RIP) had a better word: oikophile
 
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