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ceptimus said:
It's amazing that when a Brexiteer supports something that the other side wants such as a united Ireland or an independent Scotland, then the Brexiteer is accused of supporting it for the wrong reasons and is still insulted and attacked.

It reveals the other sides hatred of the English. They wouldn't call it racism against the English as they genuinely believe that it's impossible to be racist against the English. It's remarkable that England is unique in this regard.
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English is a race now ? :confused:
 
Pixel42 said:
Whenever someone uses the word English as if it's a race rather than a nationality I always ask them what nationality they think Sir Lenny Henry is.
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Well, an American interviewer insisted he was an English African-American.
 
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Whenever someone uses the word English as if it's a race rather than a nationality I always ask them what nationality they think Sir Lenny Henry is.
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But the remainers continually accuse the leavers of being racist for opposing the EU. So France+Germany+Italy+24 other countries is a race, but England isn't?

For the record, I think it's nonsense - none of the EU countries should be referred to as races - so why do remainers continue to make this mistake at every opportunity?
 
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ceptimus said:
But the remainers continually accuse the leavers of being racist for opposing the EU. So France+Germany+Italy+24 other countries is a race, but England isn't?

For the record, I think it's nonsense - none of the EU countries should be referred to as races - so why do remainers continue to make this mistake at every opportunity?
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For the record you brought up the idea of Racism against the English. It is your mistake, stop trying to blame others

Leavers are accused for being racist as they put up posters of queues of brown people under the caption 'breaking point'. Also because when a leaver appeared as a vox pop they, by and large, would go on about Muslims, a thinly veiled euphemism.
 
ceptimus said:
It's amazing that when a Brexiteer supports something that the other side wants such as a united Ireland or an independent Scotland, then the Brexiteer is accused of supporting it for the wrong reasons and is still insulted and attacked.

It reveals the other sides hatred of the English. They wouldn't call it racism against the English as they genuinely believe that it's impossible to be racist against the English. It's remarkable that England is unique in this regard.
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A nation once again! A nation once again...

For too long, England has had to tolerate sharing a flag with the Jocks, Taffies and Paddies. Time to take back the red and white?

Bring me my spear of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!


<fx a flight path of a squadron of Spitfires flies overhead into the new dawn>

<sfx Dambusters theme, 'Youth is a new generation to fade>
 
Lothian said:
Leavers are accused for being racist as they put up posters of queues of brown people under the caption 'breaking point'. Also because when a leaver appeared as a vox pop they, by and large, would go on about Muslims, a thinly veiled euphemism.
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I don't know, there may be reasons why the Muslims get singled out other than skin colour. Plus, you are hardly likely to get a representative view of the man in the street by viewing vox pops. I remember listening to one on Radio4 where they went to "the most leave voting constituency in the country" and all 4 people they spoke to regretted voting leave and "hadn't known what they voted for". If sentiment had really turned around that much the North would now be Lib Dem.
 
Racist is not really the right word for someone who is prejudiced against all "foreigners" (i.e. everyone who doesn't look and sound like them) even if they're the same race or nationality, but I can understand why some might use it as shorthand. Tribalist might be a better word.
 
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Pixel42 said:
Racist is not really the right word for someone who is prejudiced against all "foreigners" (i.e. everyone who doesn't look and sound like them) even if they're the same race or nationality, but I can understand why some might use it as shorthand. Tribalist might be a better word.
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IMO xenophobe covers it pretty well.
 
Lothian said:
For the record you brought up the idea of Racism against the English. It is your mistake, stop trying to blame others
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For the record you are lying again. You were the one that brought up the racism idea (again) this time - you just can't stop yourself. But you can't take it when the insult is reflected back at you.
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We knew a lot of brexiteers are xenophobic racists.
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ceptimus said:
A united Ireland would solve the border issue completely. Shame it didn't happen years ago. It would have greatly simplified Brexit, as well as removing the financial drain that Northern Ireland imposes on the rest of the UK (England really, because Scotland and Wales are also drains).

Simple geography is a sufficient reason for a united ireland. The sooner it happens, the better. The partition of the island is a hangover from the days of British imperial ambitions, propped up by mutual hatred between different brands of Christianity. Hopefully the younger generations in Ireland are less sectarian and more secular - if they can stop dancing to the tune of Ireland's shameful history, it will benefit everyone.
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Oh good grief, so much drivel in one post...
 
abaddon said:
~In the south? sure. In the north? Not so much. I find it astonishing how anyone could be so naive.

You are flat out advocating yet another civil war and you do not understand why that might be.
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He cause he doesn't understand reality and tried to distort it to fit Brexiteer fantasies. Again.
 
ceptimus said:
For the record you are lying again. You were the one that brought up the racism idea (again) this time - you just can't stop yourself. But you can't take it when the insult is reflected back at you.
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Top tip
If you are going accuse someone of lying make sure your quote supports your case otherwise you look silly.

Here is what I said

Lothian said:
For the record you brought up the idea of Racism against the English
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The quote of mine you gave was nothing about racism against the English. That started in your post below.

ceptimus said:
It reveals the other sides hatred of the English. They wouldn't call it racism against the English as they genuinely believe that it's impossible to be racist against the English. It's remarkable that England is unique in this regard.
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Followed by your complaint that it is remainers who make the mistake of linking racism to nationality.
ceptimus said:
But the remainers continually accuse the leavers of being racist for opposing the EU. So France+Germany+Italy+24 other countries is a race, but England isn't?

For the record, I think it's nonsense - none of the EU countries should be referred to as races - so why do remainers continue to make this mistake at every opportunity?
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I just pointed out that you were the first to make that particular mistake. Apology accepted.
 
The Don said:
IMO xenophobe covers it pretty well.
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Yep.

Xenophobia is roughly 'fear of strangers' in Greek. The Greek way has always tended, barring war, to philoxenia, or, roughly, 'friend to the stranger'.

What shines out is that leave voters have a fair old streak of xenophobia running though their ranks.
 
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