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The Don said:
IMO Boris Johnson's Dominic Cummings' plan is to leave with no deal and then allow the architects of Brexit to make a killing in the chaos that follows. If I'm right, there's no incentive to even try to do a deal though there may be some mileage in appearing to do one.
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I don't see it. You've had people on left and right being in favour of leaving the EEC, and then the EU for decades. Is the claim that Tony Ben, Nigel Lawson and all the other Eurosceptics were cynically motivated, or that despite the long history of Euroscepticism, the people behind the leave campaign in fact agree that remain are right and pretend not to?
 
shuttlt said:
Most of the time to reach the current deal was spent pissing about and delaying until the clock ran down. We shall see if the situation is transformed, but I am doubtful.
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It's the same people in charge... What's that definition of insanity again.... :)
 
Darat said:
It's the same people in charge... What's that definition of insanity again.... :)
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The situation in the UK government has changed quite significantly. The tendency however is always going to be to require a crisis, artificial or organic, to force a conclusion.
 
shuttlt said:
I don't see it. You've had people on left and right being in favour of leaving the EEC, and then the EU for decades. Is the claim that Tony Ben, Nigel Lawson and all the other Eurosceptics were cynically motivated, or that despite the long history of Euroscepticism, the people behind the leave campaign in fact agree that remain are right and pretend not to?
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Tony Benn, Nigel Lawson and the run of the mill Eurosceptics aren't the architects of Brexit any more than the millions of people in Northern towns and cities who have voted to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

The architects of Brexit are people like Dominic Cummings, Aaron Banks, James Dyson and Crispin Odey. These people aren't proposing Brexit for the greater good or even out of a (IMO misplaced) sense of wanting to recover sovereignty. Instead they see an opportunity to make personal capital (both financial and/or political) out of the turmoil that will follow a no-deal Brexit knowing full well that the British public will end up actually carrying the cost.
 
The Don said:
Tony Benn, Nigel Lawson and the run of the mill Eurosceptics aren't the architects of Brexit any more than the millions of people in Northern towns and cities who have voted to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

The architects of Brexit are people like Dominic Cummings, Aaron Banks, James Dyson and Crispin Odey. These people aren't proposing Brexit for the greater good or even out of a (IMO misplaced) sense of wanting to recover sovereignty. Instead they see an opportunity to make personal capital (both financial and/or political) out of the turmoil that will follow a no-deal Brexit knowing full well that the British public will end up actually carrying the cost.
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This^
 
The Don said:
Tony Benn, Nigel Lawson and the run of the mill Eurosceptics aren't the architects of Brexit any more than the millions of people in Northern towns and cities who have voted to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

The architects of Brexit are people like Dominic Cummings, Aaron Banks, James Dyson and Crispin Odey. These people aren't proposing Brexit for the greater good or even out of a (IMO misplaced) sense of wanting to recover sovereignty. Instead they see an opportunity to make personal capital (both financial and/or political) out of the turmoil that will follow a no-deal Brexit knowing full well that the British public will end up actually carrying the cost.
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It seems simpler to suppose they broadly believe in Brexit.
 
jimbob said:
A brexit proposed by the very people they claim to think are anathema to their ideology?
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Cummings, Banks, and Gove were never going to produce a glorious socialist Brexit that EU rules prevented.

I can believe that Milne and Corbyn could have some edgy 6th-form radical's idea that a disaster is what is needed to bring about said socialist utopia - but that's stupid, and would still mean they were culpable for the suffering and damage they knew they'd be enabling.
 
Further Education worth tens of billions, currently under serious threat from Brexit, numerous language schools have already closed as a direct result.
Nobody cares.
Fishing is worth virtually nothing it employs fewer people than Poundland.
Brexiters utterly obsessed with it.
 
June Mummery Brexit Party MEP Tweeted

@june_mummery
I can't believe that after supporting #UKfisheries and #coastalcommunities, @BorisJohnson will abandon them to unchecked #EU control for 11 months. With less than two weeks to go before #Brexit, it is paramount we have an oversight mechanism on EU fisheries policy.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
June Mummery Brexit Party MEP Tweeted

@june_mummery
I can't believe that after supporting #UKfisheries and #coastalcommunities, @BorisJohnson will abandon them to unchecked #EU control for 11 months. With less than two weeks to go before #Brexit, it is paramount we have an oversight mechanism on EU fisheries policy.
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Perhaps we could, you know, stay in the EU? :rolleyes:
 
I'm a bit confused; maybe you can clarify a few things.
- Does the UK leave the EU at the end of this month? If so, under what agreement?
- If not, when and under what agreement?
- What happens at the end of the year? A final, this time really final exit? If not, what?

Just a general summary would be a big help. Thanks.
 
SezMe said:
I'm a bit confused; maybe you can clarify a few things.
- Does the UK leave the EU at the end of this month? If so, under what agreement?
- If not, when and under what agreement?
- What happens at the end of the year? A final, this time really final exit? If not, what?

Just a general summary would be a big help. Thanks.
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We officially leave, meaning we are not a member of the EU after 11pm 31 Jan. We then enter a transition period until 31 Dec 2020. During transition we have all the obligations and benefits of membership but no say in the running of the EU. After 31 Dec we are no longer in transition so no longer have the obligations and benefits. Unless we agree something else before then we will default to trading on WTO terms, will not have access to EU airspace, will lose Europol info on criminals etc. Some of these things are likely to be agreed before 2021.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Further Education worth tens of billions, currently under serious threat from Brexit, numerous language schools have already closed as a direct result.
Nobody cares.
Fishing is worth virtually nothing it employs fewer people than Poundland.
Brexiters utterly obsessed with it.
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Well, not obsessed enough for Farrage to have attended the meetings on it. But yeah.
 
Lothian said:
We officially leave, meaning we are not a member of the EU after 11pm 31 Jan. We then enter a transition period until 31 Dec 2020. During transition we have all the obligations and benefits of membership but no say in the running of the EU. After 31 Dec we are no longer in transition so no longer have the obligations and benefits. Unless we agree something else before then we will default to trading on WTO terms, will not have access to EU airspace, will lose Europol info on criminals etc. Some of these things are likely to be agreed before 2021.
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Boris made a hard bargain with that deal. All the obligations for a year but no say in them.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
I we give them their ******* bongs at eleven o'clock do you think they'd notice if we withdrew A50 at five to? We could all agree to keep saying "Yes you're right, nothing changed it was all Project Fear" until they've found something else to be angry about.

Oh, sorry, I forgot our current Captain and his mates have insured the Titanic for double it's value, stuffed the first class lifeboats with Bolly and caviar, locked down the lower decks and are full speed ahead for the iceburg.
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Excellent analogy! The UK and Breixt is indeed the Titanic meets iceberg.

I for one have jumped ship just in time



...and the band played on. That'll be Boris clinging on to the very end, I'm sure.

'Gentlemen, it has been a privilege playing with you tonight'.
 
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