Cont: Brexit: Now What? 7th heaven...

[Lothian]

Unless you're Kate Hoey, her support for the Brexit Party seems to have had no negative consequences

I suspect the Tories need to be more forgiving if the party is to remain viable. Then again for Alistair Campbell I am not sure if it was voting for the lib dem or serving under Blair that comrade Corbin finds most offensive.

 

[wobs]

As I said before, over that poll of what tory members would be willing to sacrifice for a No Deal. It's a surprise that as many as 30% would balk at sacrificing everything.

That the party consists of nutters is no great surprise.
These are the people that thought IDS would make a good leader.

Its worse than that:

"3. After Churchill and Thatcher, the post-war party leaders most respected by the membership are Hague and Duncan Smith"
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...more-discoveries-our-conservative-member-surv

Tory members actually respect IDS more than almost any Tory leader since the war!

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...org/wiki/Iain_Duncan_Smith#Problems_as_leader

 

[Information Analyst]

Labour banned people in momentum I mean militant, (easy mistake!). Voting for another party apart from labour also gets you expelled so joining one will certainly be a no-no.

Militant, though, was not a party.

 

[The Don]

There was a two-year gap between UKIP becoming irrelevant and Brexit party being formed.

True, but you're not obliged to be a member of a political party.

I'd be shocked if there wasn't a significant overlap between UKIP members in 2016 and Brexit Party members in 2019. In-between they could have joined a different party or simply not bothered to join any party.

 

[Darat]

Militant, though, was not a party.

Bit of a meaningless distinction, it was a political "grouping" that for all extent and purposes acted like a political party. Most people would say "I'm a member of Militant" at the time. I should know being back in the 80s in one of these other "parties" that got you kicked out of the Labour party!

 

[Andy_Ross]

Jeremy Hunt has said plans for a televised Conservative leadership debate three days after voting begins is making a "mockery" of the contest.

Mr Hunt said Boris Johnson had challenged him to a debate on ITV, scheduled to take place on 9 July.

He accepted, but then "realised" it would take place the day after party members received their postal ballots.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48728265

 

[jimbob]

Jeremy Hunt has said plans for a televised Conservative leadership debate three days after voting begins is making a "mockery" of the contest.

Mr Hunt said Boris Johnson had challenged him to a debate on ITV, scheduled to take place on 9 July.

He accepted, but then "realised" it would take place the day after party members received their postal ballots.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48728265

The levels of incompetence on display is staggering - even after accounting for their performance in Cabinet.

 

[Darat]

Johnson showing his tougher side last night, sure it will go down well with his party.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-politics-johnson-police-idUSKCN1TM2ML

 

[Andy_Ross]

Various Boris supporters are calling for the neighbours that called the police to be 'named and shamed' as it is all obviously a plan to foil his leadership bid and not concern for his girlfriends safety. They seem to be the same people who justified Field's manhandling of a woman because she could have posed a threat to his safety.

 

[Garrison]

Various Boris supporters are calling for the neighbours that called the police to be 'named and shamed' as it is all obviously a plan to foil his leadership bid and not concern for his girlfriends safety. They seem to be the same people who justified Field's manhandling of a woman because she could have posed a threat to his safety.

Also noticeable how a number of Trump supporters have come out with a thoroughly 1950's attitude to potential domestic violence, basically an argument that what goes on behind closed doors is no one else's business.

 

[Vixen]

Various Boris supporters are calling for the neighbours that called the police to be 'named and shamed' as it is all obviously a plan to foil his leadership bid and not concern for his girlfriends safety. They seem to be the same people who justified Field's manhandling of a woman because she could have posed a threat to his safety.

Hearing thuds and the woman screaming 'Get off me!' and 'Get out of my flat!' (several times), together with the sound of smashing crockery and an almighty building-shaking crash after he shouted, 'Get off my ******* laptop!) followed by silence could indeed cause a passerby/neighbour to feel alarmed. I don't know anyone who smashes plates or causes crashing vibrations.

OK so it was likely a late-night drunken row caused by a build up of stress from the balloting, the intense media focus on BoJo's split with his wife, etc., but fair enough, some people would have been sufficiently and genuinely alarmed enough to fetch the police. Recording a potential crime scene is almost de rigeur these days.

Calling the GRAUNIAD was rather lefty, though, given its readership is a fraction of the more obvious tabloids.

 

[GlennB]

Calling the GRAUNIAD was rather lefty, though, given its readership is a fraction of the more obvious tabloids.

Who would you call that wouldn't be likely to squelch the report?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Allison Person of the Daily telegraph says

We really need to name and shame the Boris neighbours. Maybe record their blameless, unshouty lives and give the tape to a national newspaper. Anyone know who they are?

 

[Vixen]

Well, at least he wasn't caught wearing a Chelsea football shirt.

 

[Nessie]

Allison Person of the Daily telegraph says

I wonder if

- she is just critical because the story went to another paper?
- is she wanting to name and shame because the tape has been made public?

 

[Nessie]

Hearing thuds and the woman screaming 'Get off me!' and 'Get out of my flat!' (several times)..

You would think that Boris would understand that when someone says leave, they mean it.

 

[GlennB]

I wonder if

- she is just critical because the story went to another paper?
- is she wanting to name and shame because the tape has been made public?

Daily Telegraph? Enough said?

 

[GlennB]

"Consider as well this small vignette: Johnson’s Toyota Previa people carrier had been parked outside Symonds’s flat overnight but was reportedly driven away Friday afternoon. It had three parking tickets and a mocking flyer on the windscreen that had also been posted on a fence nearby reading : “We’d rather endure him as a neighbour than our prime minister.” Another neighbour was reported as saying: “It’s got loads of parking tickets on it. He just leaves it here. He doesn’t care.” That’s the attitude: parking tickets are for little people. That cavalier posh-boy spoiled behaviour should truly upset law abiding Tory party members."

Heaven help us all.

 

[Andy_Ross]

That should have been Pearson, not Person of course.

She has written a number of 'glowing' columns about Boris over the years. I think she has the hots for him.

 

[ceptimus]

The neighbour didn't just 'hear' the row. (s)he held a microphone against the wall and taped the conversation before calling the anti-tory Grauniad. We don't know yet how much the neighbour was paid by the Guardian for the recordings.

Also wasted police time by calling them out - although to be charitable, we didn't know that their time had been wasted until after they'd attended and said that there was no need for them to have been there.

Would you want a neighbour that taped your conversations and passed them on to a national newspaper whenever you're having a domestic row? I wouldn't.