BREAKING NEWS: Tripartite 'Proximity' Talks to Resume

[Thunder]

Of course they can vote, just not in Israeli elections.

Just like Puerto Ricans can vote, just not in United States elections.

Puerto Ricans have chosen to remain a Commonweath. Let us know when the Palestinians get to vote on their own fate.

 

[WildCat]

Puerto Ricans have chosen to remain a Commonweath. Let us know when the Palestinians get to vote on their own fate.

Now it's not just Arabs in Jerusalem, but Palestinians in general.

That goalpost is on wheels!

At any rate, Palestinians do get to vote. Unfortuantely, in Gaza they elected Hamas. Not sure if there will ever be another election in Gaza. Once you vote the terrorists in it's hard to vote them out.

 

[Thunder]

Now it's not just Arabs in Jerusalem, but Palestinians in general.

That goalpost is on wheels!

do Palestinian tax-payers who are permanent residents of Israel, in East Jerusalem, have the right to vote in parliamentary elections?

no? than that is Apartheid.

 

[WildCat]

do Palestinian tax-payers who are permanent residents of Israel, in East Jerusalem, have the right to vote in parliamentary elections?

no? than that is Apartheid.

It's not if they don't want to be Israeli citizens and vote. Is there some law preventing them from becoming Israeli citizens parky?

This is like saying that the US is an apartheid state because many citizens don't bother to register to vote, yet still pay taxes etc.

 

[Thunder]

It's not if they don't want to be Israeli citizens and vote. Is there some law preventing them from becoming Israeli citizens parky?

Do Palestinians in "East Jerusalem" still have the right to obtain automatic citizenship? They did in 1967.

 

[mortimer]

do Palestinian tax-payers who are permanent residents of Israel, in East Jerusalem, have the right to vote in parliamentary elections?

no? than that is Apartheid.

Do Puerto Rican tax-payers who are citizens of the United States, have the right to vote in Presidential elections?

no? Is that also apartheid?

 

[Thunder]

Do Puerto Rican tax-payers who are citizens of the United States, have the right to vote in Presidential elections?

Puerto Ricans can vote in Presidential primaries, but not the general election. though, as soon as they choose to move to Florida or New York or California or whatever, they can then vote in Presidential elections.

Do Palestinians in East Jerusalem have the right to simply move to Tel Aviv or Haifa? would they have the right to vote in Knesset elections if they did?

thought not.

 

[WildCat]

Do Palestinians in "East Jerusalem" still have the right to obtain automatic citizenship? They did in 1967.

What's that parky/Thunder? You admit that they can become citizens, but for whatever reason chose not to? And now you're whining that they can't vote?

The mind boggles.

 

[Thunder]

What's that parky/Thunder? You admit that they can become citizens, but for whatever reason chose not to?

um....this is 2010...not 1967. it appears they were given a one time offer.

I wonder if Palestinians born in East Jerusalem after 1967...are given the same offer when they hit 18?

what do you think Wildcat? "Cat" got ya tongue?

 

[mortimer]

um....this is 2010...not 1967. it appears they were given a one time offer.

I wonder if Palestinians born in East Jerusalem after 1967...are given the same offer when they hit 18?

what do you think Wildcat? "Cat" got ya tongue?

"Appears" that way? What evidence do you have to back up that claim?

 

[Thunder]

"Appears" that way? What evidence do you have to back up that claim?

in 1967, Israel offered citizenship to the Palestinians of "East Jerusalem".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Jerusalem#Residency

 

[mortimer]

in 1967, Israel offered citizenship to the Palestinians of "East Jerusalem".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Jerusalem#Residency

Fair enough. It does look like Israel has attempted to reduce the number of Palestinian permanent residents in East Jerusalem, with some success. Not sure I agree with that policy.

 

[bigjelmapro]

The current method is too vague and loose.
It isn't sustainable for four months, especially since it is understood in advance that there will be complaints of "new violations" by one side or the other that will invariably cause the talks to be suspended, leaving everyone back on square one.

The PA has absolutely no pressure on them to act. The Obama administration has done its best to put all the pressure on Israel to make another bout of fruitless concessions, blaming Israel for a malady of unrelated issues, ie:

From pro-Israel to anti-Israel apologist

INDYK EVEN went to the length of reiterating that Israeli intransigence was contributing to US military casualties – a manifestly untrue accusation (as Indyk himself must know) – repudiated by Gen. David Petraeus, who emphasized the positive aspects of Israel as a strategic ally. Indyk effectively claimed that American soldiers were dying because Israelis are endangering “a vital national security interest for the United States,” presumably by building apartments in Jewish neighborhoods in east Jerusalem.

In subsequent more explicit comments, Indyk said 200,000 US troops are fighting terrorism and Obama is obliged to write between 30 and 40 condolence letters a month – far more than the Israeli prime minister. Such chilling remarks from a mainstream American Jewish public figure have the capacity of inflicting enormous damage on Israel and the Jewish community.

Indyk also repeats the absurdity that by making more unilateral concessions to the Palestinians, Israel will enable the US to resolve the Iranian nuclear threat, again linking the construction freeze in Jerusalem with Obama’s ability to deal with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

This balderdash is compounded when he also urges Israel to cede the Golan to Syria – ignoring the latter’s alliance with Iran and its increasing aggressiveness toward Israel.
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Does this sound familiar?

 

[The Fool]

The PA has absolutely no pressure on them to act. The Obama administration has done its best to put all the pressure on Israel to make another bout of fruitless concessions, blaming Israel for a malady of unrelated issues, ie:

From pro-Israel to anti-Israel apologist

Does this sound familiar?

stop flapping.. There are going to be talks... Sorry, but the far right in Israel is losing its power to drive the agenda. get used to it...