BREAKING NEWS: Tripartite 'Proximity' Talks to Resume

[webfusion]

United States' Special Envoy George Mitchell is going to be kick-starting negotiations during the coming week or so.

Arab League Oversight Committee has voted to approve the process commencing.

There will be four months of back-and-forth tripartite US-mediated talks. The goal is to get to Direct Dual Negotiations.


Anyone here on the forum want to weigh in about what they believe is the primary issue that can most easily be resolved, and thus, be the opening element of these talks?

 

[WildCat]

Anyone here on the forum want to weigh in about what they believe is the primary issue that can most easily be resolved, and thus, be the opening element of these talks?

That there will be punch and pie at the next meeting?

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Israeli apartheid.

 

[Doctor Evil]

Israeli apartheid.

Huh? Care to explain?

 

[Skeptic]

It should be pointed out that it's the Palestinians who are not willing to talk directly, not the Israelies. So if there is any "apartheid" here, it's on their side.

Then again, a Palestinian state must be Judenrein, you know, and (as the PLO declared in Aug. 2009) merely a stage in the "staged plan" for the total eradication of Israel, so it's not surprising they're not willing to speak directly to the dirty Jews.

 

[Giz]

It should be pointed out that it's the Palestinians who are not willing to talk directly, not the Israelies. So if there is any "apartheid" here, it's on their side.

Then again, a Palestinian state must be Judenrein, you know, and (as the PLO declared in Aug. 2009) merely a stage in the "staged plan" for the total eradication of Israel, so it's not surprising they're not willing to speak directly to the dirty Jews.

Look, negotiations are good. Surely all non neo-con warmongers can agree on that.

If Israel will only negotiate with people who don't want to destroy it, will halt attacks on it, and don't harbor ambitions to destroy it... then there will be no negotiations.

Therefore, Israel is bad, QED.

 

[WildCat]

If Israel will only negotiate with people who don't want to destroy it, will halt attacks on it, and don't harbor ambitions to destroy it... then there will be no negotiations.

I though that violent extremists were just a tiny percentage of Palestinians?

 

[The Fool]

It should be pointed out that it's the Palestinians who are not willing to talk directly, not the Israelies. So if there is any "apartheid" here, it's on their side.

Then again, a Palestinian state must be Judenrein, you know, and (as the PLO declared in Aug. 2009) merely a stage in the "staged plan" for the total eradication of Israel, so it's not surprising they're not willing to speak directly to the dirty Jews.

Hi web, welcome back....you went away for quite a while, lying on a beach in the south pacific?


anyway. It appears your thread has got "skeptic" horny



as to the talks.....its my view that neither side is willing to negotiate in good faith so good luck to a US imposed solution. Although I expect wildcat, "skeptic" and the other lads to throw up a fair display of bluster.

 

[Thunder]

Then again, a Palestinian state must be Judenrein, you know, and (as the PLO declared in Aug. 2009) merely a stage in the "staged plan" for the total eradication of Israel, so it's not surprising they're not willing to speak directly to the dirty Jews.

The new State of Palestine should have Jews in it, and they should be treated with all the rights and privelages that Israeli-Arabs have.

 

[webfusion]

Updated: Palestinians threaten to walk away from talks

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article426162.ece
A mere 24-hours after the talks had officially begun, the Palestinians have reportedly told the USA they will abandon the negotiations due to construction continuing on 14 privately-built homes in a neighborhood of Jerusalem (Ras el-Amud).

Apparently, anyone with a hammer & nails and some two-by-fours can disrupt the National Interests of the USA, Israel and Palestinians.
Every Monday and Thursday there will be new efforts by all sorts of antagonists (on both sides) to derail the talks, since it's so easy to do so. The Palestinians will be unable to get anywhere, if they don't just focus on the Big Picture and instead get bogged down in minutae.

 

[Darth Rotor]

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article426162.ece
A mere 24-hours after the talks had officially begun, the Palestinians have reportedly told the USA they will abandon the negotiations due to construction continuing on 14 privately-built homes in a neighborhood of Jerusalem (Ras el-Amud).

Apparently, anyone with a hammer & nails and some two-by-fours can disrupt the National Interests of the USA, Israel and Palestinians.

Every Monday and Thursday there will be new efforts by all sorts of antagonists (on both sides) to derail the talks, since it's so easy to do so. The Palestinians will be unable to get anywhere, if they don't just focus on the Big Picture and instead get bogged down in minutae.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32982101/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

It looks as though the Pals and Israelis are doing something called "indirect talks" which is ... progress ... or all that can be managed at the moment.

But no new Israeli housing projects in East Jerusalem have been approved since March, raising speculation Netanyahu has imposed a de facto moratorium that could keep talks ticking while avoiding a showdown with his far-right coalition partners

Nothing will happen quickly, however, something may happen in time.

DR

 

[Thunder]

i expect these talks to go no where. any peace plan that involves evacuating hundreds of thousands of Israeli settlers will lead to a low-level or even full civil war in Israel.

 

[webfusion]

Why does there need to be any 'evacuation' at all? The stated intention is to retain the areas where the majority of Israeli citizens now live throughout these Territories, as an integral part of the State of Israel.

In other words, redraw the old demarcations and eliminate those 1949 Lines.
If I'm living in Alfe Menashe, I won't have to move anywhere. I'll become "gerrymandered" into Israel. Same thing with those living on French Hill, or Gilo, or even Ramat Shlomo.

 

[Thunder]

I have no problem, for the most part, with Israel annexing parts of the West Bank in exchange for parts of Israel proper. And I also have no problem with the rest of the Israelis staying in their homes and becoming Palestinian citizens.

But Israel needs to also compensate the Palestinians for lands they annexed in 1967 and unilaterally turned into "Jerusalem".

 

[WildCat]

The new State of Palestine should have Jews in it, and they should be treated with all the rights and privelages that Israeli-Arabs have.

So Jews in Palestine will have more rights than Arabs do?

 

[webfusion]

I have no problem, for the most part, with Israel annexing parts of the West Bank in exchange for parts of Israel proper.

That is the entire focus of these current talks. The question has been, and remains, will there be ANY give and take amongst the various Islamic Fundamentalist rejectionist factions regarding redrawing and re-demarcating those obsolete 1949 Cease-Fire Lines? Sure, you're welcome to present any evidence showing such flexibility on the part of HAMAS, et al.

And I also have no problem with the rest of the Israelis staying in their homes and becoming Palestinian citizens.

Good thing that YOU have no problem with it.
I can pretty much bet that plenty of Palestinians would have a problem with it. Especially those Palestinians who are affiliated with HAMAS, or Jihad Islami, or any number of other powerfully-determined organizations whose aim is to reject completely any Jewish hegemony in Palestine. Whatsoever.

But Israel needs to also compensate the Palestinians for lands they annexed in 1967 and unilaterally turned into "Jerusalem".

What sort of 'compensation' would you suggest for the Temple Mount remaining under Jewish security & control? Who would you get to agree to that? The WAQF? HAMAS? Anyone?

 

[Thunder]

What sort of 'compensation' would you suggest for the Temple Mount remaining under Jewish security & control? Who would you get to agree to that? The WAQF? HAMAS? Anyone?

i dont mean the Old City. I meant all those areas east, south, and north of the city that have had NOTHING to do with Jerusalem for 3,000 years, but were suddenly annexed by Israel and re-named "Yerushalayim".

any parts of these lands that Israel keeps...should be swapped with lands of equal size in Israel proper. its called justice.

 

[Thunder]

So Jews in Palestine will have more rights than Arabs do?

no. Jews in Palestine should be treated just as equally and farely as Arabs in Israel are treated.

 

[webfusion]

I don't mean the Old City.

Then you are being dishonest.

There is NOTHING more important to the entire conflcit being resolved, than the Temple Mount. (Haram al-Sharif)
Al-Aqsa is the central or crucial point of contention.
You cannot dismiss it with a wave of your hand by just saying "I don't mean the Old City."

I meant all those areas east, south, and north of the city that have had NOTHING to do with Jerusalem for 3,000 years, but were suddenly annexed by Israel and re-named "Yerushalayim".

The Jerusalem District (sanjak) of the Ottoman Empire certainly extended into the surrounding hills. You surely must realize that?

Furthermore, what about Mt. Scopus? Do you feel that there is some legitimate right for the Jews to have a presence there? It wasn't "suddenly annexed" -- there is a valid Jewish title to that specific part of Jerusalem (see: Hebrew University).

Any parts of these lands that Israel keeps...should be swapped with lands of equal size in Israel proper. its called justice.

OK, I'm convinced.
See, that was easy.
Now, can you get the HAMAS to sign on to that?

 

[Thunder]

Then you are being dishonest.

There is NOTHING more important to the entire conflcit being resolved, than the Temple Mount.

that's very nice.

but the fact remains that Israel unileraterally and illegally annexed West Bank lands that have NEVER had anything to do with the City of Jerusalem, for 3,000 years.

this annexation tripled the size of the city, and now right-wing Zionists have the chutzpah to bitch about how giving back these lands is tantamount to "dividing the Jewish people's heritage".

Chutzpah and lies..to the max.