Breaking News! 9/11 Mastermind confesses

I find one thing really funny about this whole thing...

It's the way people are reacting. People like truthers, and the columnist MaGZ linked to.

I've known his name for years. I've known that he has had his sticky fingers in dozens of terrorist attacks for years. It comes as no surprise to me whatsoever that he is responsible for lots of actual and attempted attacks.

I find it funny that many people seem to think this guy was just suddenly presented, randomly claiming responsibility, out of the blue.

One might almost be inclined to think these people had never heard of KSM before.

-Gumboot
Exactly, it's the same w/ OBL. Very early on 9/11, before I even heard any speculation on the news, I figured OBL and al Qaeda were behind it. Troofers act like it's a leap of faith to suspect OBL so soon after the attacks, but anyone who had been paying the least bit of attention back then suspected him.

Of course, many troofers were probably only 9 or 10 years old at the time.
 
I find one thing really funny about this whole thing...

It's the way people are reacting. People like truthers, and the columnist MaGZ linked to.

I've known his name for years. I've known that he has had his sticky fingers in dozens of terrorist attacks for years. It comes as no surprise to me whatsoever that he is responsible for lots of actual and attempted attacks.

I find it funny that many people seem to think this guy was just suddenly presented, randomly claiming responsibility, out of the blue.

One might almost be inclined to think these people had never heard of KSM before.
Same here. I first noticed this story on Digg.com. I'll be honest; I had to look the guy up, but a surprisingly large number of the comments seemed like they were made based on this idea that he was just some random Arab guy they had in their custody.
 
Exactly, it's the same w/ OBL. Very early on 9/11, before I even heard any speculation on the news, I figured OBL and al Qaeda were behind it. Troofers act like it's a leap of faith to suspect OBL so soon after the attacks, but anyone who had been paying the least bit of attention back then suspected him.

Of course, many troofers were probably only 9 or 10 years old at the time.



I think that's a lot of it. They honestly have never heard of these people and organisations before. They're so utterly oblivious and ignorant of the backstory and surrounding events behind these sort of attacks that they think things just pop up at random.

Sometimes their arrogance mixed with their ignorance makes me want to punch my monitor. But then I just have to remind myself they're only children.

-Gumboot
 
Exactly, it's the same w/ OBL. Very early on 9/11, before I even heard any speculation on the news, I figured OBL and al Qaeda were behind it. Troofers act like it's a leap of faith to suspect OBL so soon after the attacks, but anyone who had been paying the least bit of attention back then suspected him.

Of course, many troofers were probably only 9 or 10 years old at the time.

The CIA knew the hijackers were AQ operatives before the Twin Towers collapsed. They ran the names of the hijackers provider by the surviving attendants in their computers and within minutes determined who was behind the attacks. I think it can be argued that the CIA knew these individuals were in the US before they attacked on 9/11.
 
The CIA knew the hijackers were AQ operatives before the Twin Towers collapsed. They ran the names of the hijackers provider by the surviving attendants in their computers and within minutes determined who was behind the attacks. I think it can be argued that the CIA knew these individuals were in the US before they attacked on 9/11.



I think that's probably quite likely.

Unfortunately the CIA aren't legally allowed to operate inside the USA, so there really isn't much they could have done. Legally speaking.

And the USA is a big country. 300 million people. Knowing someone is in the country and knowing where they are... not the same thing.

-Gumboot
 
The CIA knew the hijackers were AQ operatives before the Twin Towers collapsed. They ran the names of the hijackers provider by the surviving attendants in their computers and within minutes determined who was behind the attacks. I think it can be argued that the CIA knew these individuals were in the US before they attacked on 9/11.

Yes, they did know two of them were part of Al-Qaeda, and with 2 weeks before the attacks, they finally found out they were in the USA (The two in question). The vast majority of the hijackers were not known to the CIA or FBI, and I would ask you to provide one shred of evidence to substantiate any different, beyond the two that the 9/11 commission reports identifies as being known. There may be one or two others with some AQ connection known, but The majority were not known.

TAM:)
 
I think it can be argued that the CIA knew these individuals were in the US before they attacked on 9/11.
I'm pretty sure, although I may be wrong, that there's actually no argument here. They did know that at least some of the would-be hijackers were in the country prior to 9/11.
 
The CIA knew the hijackers were AQ operatives before the Twin Towers collapsed. They ran the names of the hijackers provider by the surviving attendants in their computers and within minutes determined who was behind the attacks. I think it can be argued that the CIA knew these individuals were in the US before they attacked on 9/11.

Yes Magz, they did know, they were forewarned, and it has all been documented. Had you even read the 911 commissions report you would have seen this.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/11/1081621819966.html
 
Al-Mindhar and Al-Hamzi I believe, but dont quote me, were the two they knew for sure 2 weeks prior to 9/11.
 
I think that's probably quite likely.

Unfortunately the CIA aren't legally allowed to operate inside the USA, so there really isn't much they could have done. Legally speaking.

And the USA is a big country. 300 million people. Knowing someone is in the country and knowing where they are... not the same thing.

-Gumboot

The official story says the CIA knew of only two AQ operatives in the US. I maintain they knew they were all here and asked Mossad agents to enter the US to keep track of them. This would explain why the CIA ignored warnings from other intelligence agencies that AQ would attack soon within the US. The CIA never should have trusted the Mossad.
 
Yes, they did know two of them were part of Al-Qaeda, and with 2 weeks before the attacks, they finally found out they were in the USA (The two in question). The vast majority of the hijackers were not known to the CIA or FBI, and I would ask you to provide one shred of evidence to substantiate any different, beyond the two that the 9/11 commission reports identifies as being known. There may be one or two others with some AQ connection known, but The majority were not known.

TAM:)

Page 13, from "Against All Enemies" by Richard A. Clarke

Frank Miller (FBI ?) go the passenger manifests from the airlines and told Clarke they were all al Qaeda. The FBI apparently checked with the CIA during the attacks and got confirmation.
 
The official story says the CIA knew of only two AQ operatives in the US. I maintain they knew they were all here and asked Mossad agents to enter the US to keep track of them. This would explain why the CIA ignored warnings from other intelligence agencies that AQ would attack soon within the US. The CIA never should have trusted the Mossad.
Conspiracy 102: Jews are always involved

There is zero reason, apart from antisemitism-based conspiracy theorism, to think that the CIA would ask the Mossad to do anything in the United States. If the CIA wanted someone tracked in the US they'd go to the FBI which holds responsibility for counterintelligence and counterterrorist activities in this country, and which would have far more manpower to do the job.

If anyone within the CIA asked Mossad to run any kind of operation within the US, they'd not only be immediately fired but they'd probably end up in jail. But, I guess implausible speculation is pretty standard fare among CTers...
 
Conspiracy 102: Jews are always involved

There is zero reason, apart from antisemitism-based conspiracy theorism, to think that the CIA would ask the Mossad to do anything in the United States. If the CIA wanted someone tracked in the US they'd go to the FBI which holds responsibility for counterintelligence and counterterrorist activities in this country, and which would have far more manpower to do the job.

If anyone within the CIA asked Mossad to run any kind of operation within the US, they'd not only be immediately fired but they'd probably end up in jail. But, I guess implausible speculation is pretty standard fare among CTers...

The Mossad are experts in monitoring Arab/Islamic extremists. They have been conducting these type of surveillance operations in Europe and elsewhere since the Munich Olympic attacks in 1972. They have the expertise to conduct such operations. It is not unreasonable to think the CIA would have known the Mossad had the Hamburg group under surveillance before they came to America. When the AQ operatives began entering the US, the CIA could have asked the Mossad to continue the surveillance.
 
I suspect (speculation) the CIA got the info from Saudi Intelligence shortly after the event, rather than having forehand knowledge of all these these individuals. If the CIA knew all of these people were Al-Qaeda before hand, than it would have been 19 goofs instead of the goof of letting 2 of them slip into the country, and we would have heard more.

You have any proof that the CIA had FOREknowledge of all 19 hijackers being Al-Qaeda members?

TAM:)
 
The Mossad are experts in monitoring Arab/Islamic extremists. They have been conducting these type of surveillance operations in Europe and elsewhere since the Munich Olympic attacks in 1972. They have the expertise to conduct such operations.
Why would anyone deny any of that? Nations run illegal intelligence operations in other nations all the time. That doesn't mean they're approved by the nation in which the operations are conducted.
It is not unreasonable to think the CIA would have known the Mossad had the Hamburg group under surveillance before they came to America.
If they had evidence (I know how y'all hate that word), then, no, it wouldn't be unreasonable. Was there said evidence?
When the AQ operatives began entering the US, the CIA could have asked the Mossad to continue the surveillance.
"Could," "would" and "did" are all very different things. If you have evidence that the CIA made such a request, then provide it. Keep in mind, though, that nations don't typically (ever?) grant permission for foreign intelligence agencies to run operations on their soil. They (in the US "they" would be FBI, not CIA) might allow an operation to continue (unbeknownst to the operatives) in order to smoke out more operatives (particularly involved US citizens), and some nations with very close intelligence relationships (e.g., the UK and the US) might allow foreign agents to work with their own agents, but there is, again, zero reason to think that the CIA would grant Mossad agents permission to operate in the United States - they have neither the power nor a good reason to do so.

Again, all of the above presupposes that the CIA was somehow duped into trusting the Mossad in this matter, as you implied in your previous post. If you're making CIA part of the conspiracy, then you'll still need evidence to prove it to me, but at least your theory would have some internal consistency.
 
The Mossad are experts in monitoring Arab/Islamic extremists. They have been conducting these type of surveillance operations in Europe and elsewhere since the Munich Olympic attacks in 1972. They have the expertise to conduct such operations. It is not unreasonable to think the CIA would have known the Mossad had the Hamburg group under surveillance before they came to America. When the AQ operatives began entering the US, the CIA could have asked the Mossad to continue the surveillance.



You just can't let go of your rabid anti-semitism for even a moment, can you MaGZ?

Disgusting. How can such illogical sickening bigotry exist in a civilisation that is so enlightened?

-Gumboot
 
Why would anyone deny any of that? Nations run illegal intelligence operations in other nations all the time. That doesn't mean they're approved by the nation in which the operations are conducted.

If they had evidence (I know how y'all hate that word), then, no, it wouldn't be unreasonable. Was there said evidence?

"Could," "would" and "did" are all very different things. If you have evidence that the CIA made such a request, then provide it. Keep in mind, though, that nations don't typically (ever?) grant permission for foreign intelligence agencies to run operations on their soil. They (in the US "they" would be FBI, not CIA) might allow an operation to continue (unbeknownst to the operatives) in order to smoke out more operatives (particularly involved US citizens), and some nations with very close intelligence relationships (e.g., the UK and the US) might allow foreign agents to work with their own agents, but there is, again, zero reason to think that the CIA would grant Mossad agents permission to operate in the United States - they have neither the power nor a good reason to do so.

Again, all of the above presupposes that the CIA was somehow duped into trusting the Mossad in this matter, as you implied in your previous post. If you're making CIA part of the conspiracy, then you'll still need evidence to prove it to me, but at least your theory would have some internal consistency.

The evidence is the Israeli Art Students.
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index_np.html
 
You just can't let go of your rabid anti-semitism for even a moment, can you MaGZ?

Disgusting. How can such illogical sickening bigotry exist in a civilisation that is so enlightened?

-Gumboot

In time you will see that the Mossad had the hijackers under surveillance.
Mark my words and remember them.
 
"Could," "would" and "did" are all very different things.

MAgZ has shown time and time again that he cannot comprehend the difference between "possible" and "must have" or even between "small likelyhood," "large likelyhood" and "impossible to be anything but" or even "sorta looks a little bit like a" with "must be a"

So he just substitutes whichever one makes the strongest sounding argument in favor of his preconceived conclusion.
 

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