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Boycott Arizona?

WildCat said:
Arizona is a small state. Going after only those employers in Arizona who hire illegals doesn't end the hundreds of thousands heading through Arizona en route to other states where employing illegal aliens is not discouraged in any way by law.

And it's Arizona that has to deal with the coyote gangs, trashing of the natural habitat, the merger of human and drug traffickers, and the extra costs to hospitals and other social welfare systems.
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Hmm.. So it is. So it seems that while the crack down in Arizona may prevent the illegals from staying in the state, it certainly won't prevent them from passing through.

So Arizona is working on a way to deal with the illegals who live in the state. Are they doing anything to help prevent them from entering at all?

Perhaps the entire bloody country should do something about it. Until that happens, there will still be places where the illegals will be welcomed.
 
MikeMangum said:
With the advent of debit cards, this doesn't really happen as much now as it used to, but when buying with a credit card, it was normal to be asked for ID. I don't know how common that still is since I buy everything with a debit card now.
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Well, it's against Visa's Merchant Card Acceptance Policy:
Although Visa rules do not preclude merchants from asking for cardholder ID, merchants
cannot make an ID a condition of acceptance. Therefore, merchants cannot
refuse to complete a purchase transaction because a cardholder refuses to
provide ID. Visa believes merchants should not ask for ID as part of their
regular card acceptance procedures. Laws in several states also make it illegal
for merchants to write a cardholder’s personal information, such as an address or
phone number, on a sales receipt. (page 29)
I have never had to show any additional ID when using a credit card, except to buy booze, and in the last decades, that has only happened in Virginia.
 
I have a lot of Native American friends in Arizona who are actually in favor of this law. It's not the poor, immigrant families they object too ... it's the rise of MS13 and the drug trafficking they see in and around their communities.

I'm against this law myself, but I also hesitate to call everyone who endorses it a racist.
 
NoScotsman said:
I have a lot of Native American friends in Arizona who are actually in favor of this law. It's not the poor, immigrant families they object too ... it's the rise of MS13 and the drug trafficking they see in and around their communities.

I'm against this law myself, but I also hesitate to call everyone who endorses it a racist.
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Fancy that. You might be interested in knowing how many of my neighbors, of Mexican and Dominican Republic ancestry, have similar concerns in re illegal immigration and its well established linkage to other criminal problems.

My friend Mr Gonzalez, engineer, has had three cars stolen. One wrecked, joy ride. Local punks about fifteen years ago.

One found not far from Sarita. Chevy Blazer. Rather obvious what the cargo was: humans.

The other he thinks is in Mexico, as it's not been recovered, but it also might have gone to a chop shop here in the US.

DR
 
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drkitten said:
My sweetie has rather bad allergies and asthma, and the Arizona climate is very good for that. Again, that's not happening for a while...)
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Actually, I have heard that allergies can be quite bad in Phoenix at times.

Relatives of mine that have been down there have been quite miserable.
 
Alferd_Packer said:
What if you are riding "in" the car.
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Or walking on the street, or working in a factory, or sitting in your own home?

The law says police have to verify the status of anyone they come into contact with if they have reasonable suspicion that they are in the state illegally.
 
Shalamar said:
Personally, I think Arizona should go after the people who hire the illegals. If they have no-where to work, they won't go there.
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You can't do this if you cant ask for proof of citizenship. Going after employers is a big part of the new push, don't worry about that.
 
pipelineaudio said:
You can't do this if you cant ask for proof of citizenship. Going after employers is a big part of the new push, don't worry about that.
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I would hope so. As for 'proof of citizenship', when I apply for a job, I'm asked for my SSN. Since I am not a citizen, I also have to supply my Alien ID number.

Part of this problem would also be Identity theft. I would hope there would be a better way to check to make sure the applicant is legally permitted to work.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Or walking on the street, or working in a factory, or sitting in your own home?

The law says police have to verify the status of anyone they come into contact with if they have reasonable suspicion that they are in the state illegally.
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That's not what "lawful contact" means, especially wrt this particular legislation.
 
Never been there, might go now though since it's not the thing to do according to the libs.
 
Shalamar said:
I would hope so. As for 'proof of citizenship', when I apply for a job, I'm asked for my SSN. Since I am not a citizen, I also have to supply my Alien ID number.
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Thats correct. Right now the employer can ask, but the police can't. Since an employer who is intent on hiring illegals has absolutley no incentive to share his records with on workers' citizenship with the police, you can imagine how hard it is to bust an employer for hiring illegally, when you aren't allowed to find out if the workers are illegal. Right now the employment busts are mostly set off by following stolen identities.

Yes the situation is THAT ridiculous right now

I halfway would favor making a deal with coyotees to give them safe passage to any state boycotting us. Let them know what its like before they pass judgement
 
pipelineaudio said:
You can't do this if you cant ask for proof of citizenship. Going after employers is a big part of the new push, don't worry about that.
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No one is suggesting that you should not be able to ask for proof of citizenship if it is for a valid reason. And it is true that the law prescribes penalties for those who hire illegals.

In my opinion, this should be the only thing necessary. If no jobs are available for illegal immigrants, they will have no incentive to come here. Of course, lots of businesses don't want this because they rely on cheap labor to keep their costs down. If officials started leaning heavily on businesses that hire illegals (and refusing to be bribed) you'd see some changes pretty quickly. Specifically, you'd see the law rescinded pretty quickly.
 
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