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Merged Boston Marathon CTs

Clayton Moore said:
Good point. You wanna be politically correct with people's lives good for you.
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Not being politically correct.

Tell me how you can tell, by looking, if someone's a foreigner. What metrics are you using?
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Oh, let me ask you this: did the members of of the most decorated US Army unit in WWII look "foreign" to you? Just curious.
 
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Jeff Baumann was tended to first due the seriousness of his injuries and so much blood loss in the article provided below.

concordmonitor.com/home/6043637-95/with-plenty-of-support-and-inspiration-jeff-bauman-is-on-the-road-to-recovery

Since I have yet reached the require amount to post a link, please copy and paste the above to your browser.
 
I wonder which of these guys (they probably have big backpacks somewhere too) is foreign looking. Clayton, just let me know, so we can clarify things here.

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LSSBB said:
I wonder which of these guys (they probably have big backpacks somewhere too) is foreign looking. Clayton, just let me know, so we can clarify things here.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=843&pictureid=7832[/qimg]
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If they're in a Middle Eastern country, as the background seems to indicate, aren't they all foreigners there? ;)
 
Clayton Moore said:
Maybe you can enlighten us as to why less seriously injured people who were taken away on a stretcher were tended to before Jeff Bauman.
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Bauman needed to be properly secured before moving him. that took a little more time.
But you already know this because you don't actually believe what you're saying. You're here to be disruptive and to try to get the other people in trouble.

don't pretend any manner of rational answer will sway your opinion.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Maybe you can enlighten us as to why less seriously injured people who were taken away on a stretcher were tended to before Jeff Bauman.
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I'm going out on a big limb here - maybe there wasn't a real orderly triage of people in an organized Emergency Room, where the most serious get seen first? Maybe there were people every which way trying to save the lives of people who had their freaking limbs blown off and everyone did the best they could to help whoever was closest and get them all off to hospitals as quickly as possible?
 
Sometimes I read posts on here and I say "no one can be that stupid". And yet, apparently they can.

As for "foreign looking" people, Tamerlan looks more middle eastern (which he isn't), but Dzhokhar looks as American as the next kid. My own half-brother could have passed for an immigrant from most of the countries on the planet, and in fact, often messed with strangers who wanted to know where he was from.
 
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Just what is a police presence for if they don't find huge backpacks that they are not wearing suspect?
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Do you have any concrete reason to believe this is standard police routine, or are you just in full-blown CT-er mode, deciding for yourself what is and isn't normal?

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Maybe you can enlighten us as to why less seriously injured people who were taken away on a stretcher were tended to before Jeff Bauman.
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Same as above. Have you compared the handling of wounded after the Boston bombing to that following other major disasters?
 
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nomuse said:
Like I said...you've never been at a marathon.

That's what friends are for, and why there's so many congregating at the finish.

Plus of course all the race volunteers lined up along the course with water, gatorade, bananas. (My own marathon rule was; nothing solid after the first two miles. But I'd even eaten a cupcake during the first part of a 20-miler.)

And presuming you missed the point (it might be subtle) it hardly matters whether they were talking or not talking. This is a marathon crowd. A lot of the time you can't tell if the person standing NEXT to you is talking unless you read lips!
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I don't think the only issue is that he was never at a marathon...
 
LSSBB said:
I wonder which of these guys (they probably have big backpacks somewhere too) is foreign looking. Clayton, just let me know, so we can clarify things here.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=843&pictureid=7832[/qimg]
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I'll venture a guess that CMs answer is be all of them except the guy in the front row, second from the left.
 
sylvan8798 said:
I'm going out on a big limb here - maybe there wasn't a real orderly triage of people in an organized Emergency Room, where the most serious get seen first? Maybe there were people every which way trying to save the lives of people who had their freaking limbs blown off and everyone did the best they could to help whoever was closest and get them all off to hospitals as quickly as possible?
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That's not a really big limb: It's not as chaotic as it looks to the untrained bystanders and the armchair medics. The point of the on-scene activity is to get people to "definitive" care as quickly as possible.

According to my trainers in emergency care, standard mass casualty protocol is that unless there is a shortage of first responder personnel, transport or an access problem, you move as many of the wounded as possible off the scene as fast as you can evaluate and stabilize them. If there are shortages, you adjust the plan to save as many lives as possible. (yes, first responders have to "play god" sometimes)

You stop minor bleeding, check for head trauma and level or consciousness, maybe splint injured limbs, but the walking wounded are often on their way to an ER while the severe injuries may be still getting stabilized or extricated.

Triage can take place in ambulances ... you load several lightly wounded people in one vehicle and take them to a smaller hospital or an off-scene treatment spot because that's less of a load on the trauma centers.

So, the EMT/driver lets dispatch know what she's hauling and is told which hospital to go to. That hospital is told what's coming.

BTW: Hospitals are automatically notified to be on mass casualty standby if anything goes kaboom or was likely to have produced unusual numbers of injuries. It's not a big deal - you just go to alert and stand down if it wasn't needed. And if it's for real, you do what you are trained to do.
 
TsuDhoNimh said:
That's not a really big limb: It's not as chaotic as it looks to the untrained bystanders and the armchair medics. The point of the on-scene activity is to get people to "definitive" care as quickly as possible.

According to my trainers in emergency care, standard mass casualty protocol is that unless there is a shortage of first responder personnel, transport or an access problem, you move as many of the wounded as possible off the scene as fast as you can evaluate and stabilize them. If there are shortages, you adjust the plan to save as many lives as possible. (yes, first responders have to "play god" sometimes)

You stop minor bleeding, check for head trauma and level or consciousness, maybe splint injured limbs, but the walking wounded are often on their way to an ER while the severe injuries may be still getting stabilized or extricated.

Triage can take place in ambulances ... you load several lightly wounded people in one vehicle and take them to a smaller hospital or an off-scene treatment spot because that's less of a load on the trauma centers.

So, the EMT/driver lets dispatch know what she's hauling and is told which hospital to go to. That hospital is told what's coming.

BTW: Hospitals are automatically notified to be on mass casualty standby if anything goes kaboom or was likely to have produced unusual numbers of injuries. It's not a big deal - you just go to alert and stand down if it wasn't needed. And if it's for real, you do what you are trained to do.
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That's interesting. Thanks for the details and the context...
 
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