See my post above, from my reading of their membership page it would appear that is their policy.
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BNP to scrap whites-only membership.
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See my post above, from my reading of their membership page it would appear that is their policy.
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Given that I have to agree, but without seeing their constitution it's hard to tell without knowing what their constitution says.
*NOTE: I really have no idea about this. I'm asking because I belong to a "black' fraternity that has many "white" members and 3 of my 7 line brothers were "white". Not to mention that my wife belongs to a "black" ladies Motorcycle Club, and she's "white".
What with you and UW being from the UK and my only real world UK...ian... having lived in NYC for the past 12 years, I honestly don't know the sub text.
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I have to admit on this I have no knowledge of the legal situation - I suspect such groups can discriminate based on whatever they want; on the assumption that someone like the BNP would have spotted this if it was illegal sometime ago, mind you considering how dense the members of the BNP seem to be that is quite a weak argument!
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Out of curiousity, can an Englishman join the SNP?
Dave Rogers
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No, the Celts should kick out all these johnny-come-lately Normans and Saxons. Although, in fact, the Celts themselves weren't exactly the original inhabitants either. Maybe we should just give Europe back to the Neanderthals.
Which brings the discussion neatly back to the BNP.
Dave
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Yes indeed. There are English SNP MSP's such as Ian McKee.
They can be members, will be allowed to vote in a referendum and they will not be kicked out of the country when (if) independance is achieved.
The anti English thing is a myth pertpetuated by the Unionists. We have had that idiot Cameron up here this week, pontificating on the Scottish nation.
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I can't speak for the British situation, but this reminds me of a case against the SGP, a protestant party in the Netherlands. Women's right groups had filed suit because the SGP only allowed men as members. The plaintiffs never asked the court to force them to amend their rules, only that the government stop their subsidy of the party.
I don't see why an association cannot discriminate for its membership - it is a private club, isn't it? And I don't see why this would be different for a political party. It's of course another thing altogether if the government should subsidize such behaviour.
In the UK political parties do have special status, for example the right to make public broadcasts on all the terrestrial TV stations and so on so you can argue that a political party does receive government subsidies, both direct and indirect.
ETA: For the nitty-gritty details see: http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/party-finance/legislation/legislation-on-political-parties
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ddt
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Dutch political parties also have a special status. They get both direct subsidies, as well as TV slots for making public broadcasts. The point of the SGP case I mentioned is that no-one questioned their right to be a political party and run for Parliament, while at the same time questioning their right on those subsidies. At least, the Dutch civil court saw it that way (and I do, for what it's worth
).Interestingly, the Dutch law on subsidies for political parties contains an article that no subsidies are given to political parties which have been penalized (in penal court) for breach of anti-discrimination articles. (sorry for being a bit off-topic)
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Lineage of British Nationalist organizations and individuals
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lineage_of_British_Nationalist_organizations_and_individuals
They seem to all be splitters. Sorry, no People's Front of Judea.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lineage_of_British_Nationalist_organizations_and_individuals
They seem to all be splitters. Sorry, no People's Front of Judea.
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nation [ˈneɪʃən]
n
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) an aggregation of people or peoples of one or more cultures, races, etc., organized into a single state
2. (Sociology) a community of persons not constituting a state but bound by common descent, language, history, etc.
the BNP's old rules discriminated against black folks who may be 4th generation Brits. how is that fair?
and btw, political parties have no business discriminating at all. the taxes of ALL Brits pay their ****ing salaries if they join Parliament. taxation without representation? I don't think so.
and btw, political parties have no business discriminating at all. the taxes of ALL Brits pay their ****ing salaries if they join Parliament. taxation without representation? I don't think so.
Dave Rogers
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Yes, that's a good enough summary of my post. The requirement facing the BNP is that it should admit British citizens - i.e. people from inside the nation - to membership, regardless of how far back in their ancestry one has to look before one finds a person from outside the nation. This seems a tricky concept for racists to fathom; if you go back far enough, we're all immigrants.
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It's hilarious you quote this (Which is no.2 btw):
While not doing the same to this:
Taking your bolded part seriously, when (In your view) does the black Briton of Carribean descent become amalgamated into the "community of persons not constituting a state but bound by common descent, language, history, etc"? 100 years? 200? 222 years, 12 days and 3 hours?
While not doing the same to this:
Taking your bolded part seriously, when (In your view) does the black Briton of Carribean descent become amalgamated into the "community of persons not constituting a state but bound by common descent, language, history, etc"? 100 years? 200? 222 years, 12 days and 3 hours?
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funk de fino
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We should have got rid of them pesky Gaels. Then we could have brought the Picts back. Wait a minute...........the Picts are all Gaels now.
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Arcade seems to have buggered off.
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Who said it has to fair?
My taxes also go to communists and a whole lot of other unsavory people in the Swedish parliament. I guess we all have to bite the sour apple sometimes.