BNP leaflet through my door

That depends on whether you've had your arses kicked for the dodgy nationalisation of HBOS yet....or the Dunfermline.
 
As per-usual, the unite agaignst fascist mob show themselves up and manage to make the BNP appear almost respectable. By chucking eggs at Griffin yesterday they cause severe damage to the principles of liberal democracy and anti-discrimination. All they perpetuate is a group of people who have views that must be expressed in the form of egg, rather than intelligence and strength, which they deserve. Is this what King died for, so that the sheer wonder of 'I have a dream' and the ideals within it be expressed in the vision of flying eggs?
 
Actually, I didn't have a problem with what they did. Taste of his own medicine and all that.
 
It's childish, itks weak, and it denigrates the superiority of our ideals. Not to mention the disrespect those protestors have to freedom of speech, something that is the antithesis of fascism.
 
Chaos said:
the racism, bigotry and hatemongering which, to my knowledge, every single nationalist party except for the SNP fosters.
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Québec has some nationalist parties, too, and they aren't racist hatemongering bigots (just misguided idiots :p). But then again, this fits with what Camillus said:

Camillus said:
I tend to think that if you are presented with a nationalist party that exists within a country that already has independence you're looking at fascists. On the other hand when someone presents themselves as a nationalist in a country or region that is not independent you are probably not looking at a fascist. Of course that's not always the case but it's a reasonable rule of thumb to start from.
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ddt said:
No, they've dissolved the party (LPF). After their entry into parliament in 2002 with 26, they really acted as clowns: infighting between MPs, MPs that split off to form their one-(wo)man fractions, even 2 LPF ministers fighting with each other which led to the fall of the government after 87 days. It was rather surprising they still obtained 8 seats in 2003.
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Something similarly embarassing happened the first time the DVU entered a state parliament.

[quot€]And don't forget the Italian neo-fascists, led by Ms. Mussolini (granddaughter of).[/quote]

Oh, right, sorry. I guess we´re lucky, then, that Hitler never procreated.

Actually, calling such parties clowns or freaks is not right - except for the Fortuyn Party then, they really were a leaderless ragtag bunch of nitwits. But people like Wilders in the Netherlands, Filip de Winter in Flanders, Haider in Austria, are smart-dressed, intelligent, sharp-tongued politicians who know what they're doing. They're no clowns to be laughed at, they're serious and to be reckoned with.
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Good point.
 
Camillus said:
I tend to think that if you are presented with a nationalist party that exists within a country that already has independence you're looking at fascists. On the other hand when someone presents themselves as a nationalist in a country or region that is not independent you are probably not looking at a fascist. Of course that's not always the case but it's a reasonable rule of thumb to start from.
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Thank you. That's what I was trying to say, only you did it far more eloquently and succinctly than I did. :clap:
 
As he says, it's a reasonable place to start. There are exceptions. This lot, for example, were a bunch of racist scum last time I looked, and it was official explicit SNP policy to throw anyone connected with them out of the party. (The web site says something about "third incarnation" though, so they may have cleaned up their act, I don't know.)

This newspaper article, dated 1993 by the way, discusses another organisation that was explicitly proscribed by the SNP. Even attending a social event run by that mob would get your SNP membership revoked. Happily, however, I could find no current internet trace of the scumbags.

That article is an interesting read, but always bear in mind the date. Sixteen years ago. Since then these groups have withered and died, and the SNP has become the party of government in Scotland, and won the Euro-election at a canter. To my mind, anglophobia is less marked than it was, and most people are ready to accept incomers to Scotland as "new Scots" wherever they come from.

The latter part of the article itself seems to explain why. The political frustration it describes has to a large extent been defused by the establishment of the Scottish parliament. Scots feel more in control of their own destiny, and realise more clearly that their future is in their own hands, not anybody else's.

Rolfe.
 
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Rolfe said:
To my mind, anglophobia is less marked than it was, and most people are ready to accept incomers to Scotland as "new Scots" wherever they come from.
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Most people always were. There is still a strong element of "You English Bar stewards" to be found though.
 
richardm said:
Most people always were. There is still a strong element of "You English Bar stewards" to be found though.
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A lot of it is banter however, not the real deal. There is still some but it is not what is driving independance claims in the main.
 
Chaos said:
Sounds good.



Oh yes, my bad. Are those "Pim Fortuyn Party" clowns still active?

I also forgot the FPÖ (Austrian Liberal Party) of the late and unlamented Jörg Haider. And those freaks who campaigned on a "Switzerland to the Swiss - throw out the evil foreign scum" platform.
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SVP and Christoph Blocher to give it a name. they are a far to strong political party for my taste :(
 
Architect said:
I was just thinking of a famous political group who once managed to get "Socialist" in their name and weren't anything of the sort, likewise a whole host of Eastern European Counties who worked in the word "People's" or even "Democratic" and perhaps didn't quite understand the words properly....
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Must be the same demographic that thinks McDonalds is a restaurant.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
As per-usual, the unite agaignst fascist mob show themselves up and manage to make the BNP appear almost respectable. By chucking eggs at Griffin yesterday they cause severe damage to the principles of liberal democracy and anti-discrimination. All they perpetuate is a group of people who have views that must be expressed in the form of egg, rather than intelligence and strength, which they deserve. Is this what King died for, so that the sheer wonder of 'I have a dream' and the ideals within it be expressed in the vision of flying eggs?
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I have many ideals that can only be expressed in egg form. Such as my passionate devotion to the principle of throwing eggs at idiots.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
It's childish, itks weak, and it denigrates the superiority of our ideals. Not to mention the disrespect those protestors have to freedom of speech, something that is the antithesis of fascism.
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The egging was bad (since it is nothing more than a common assault), the hectoring and so on is good and is in line with the freedom to not only speak but to protest. The BNP has no right to be able to speak without being protested.
 
Dr Adequate said:
I have many ideals that can only be expressed in egg form. Such as my passionate devotion to the principle of throwing eggs at idiots.
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But which one came first - the egg, or the politician to throw it at?
 
Darat said:
The egging was bad (since it is nothing more than a common assault), the hectoring and so on is good and is in line with the freedom to not only speak but to protest. The BNP has no right to be able to speak without being protested.
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Except the protestors were attempting to drive away their freedom of speech. It was said by their leader, in a fabously oxymoronic statement: 'I support Freedom Of Speech, but not for fascists'.
 
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