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BNP leaflet through my door

The Don said:
Unless you can account for all of your forebears (as opposed to a single line you have allegedly traced back to the Mayflower) then you have no idea as to your racial heritage.
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Additionally, "biological parent" isn't necessarily the same as "parent whose name is on the birth certificate". DNA testing is revealing just how much grandparents and great-grandparents screwed around, lied and covered up.
 
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We've also had the BNP leaflets delivered here in West Sussex. They've made me abandon my plan to deface my ballot and instead I'll be voting for a.n.other party that isn't a bunch of racist scumbags. I see we have a candidate from The Roman Party. Ave! ... but what have the Romans ever done for us?
 
At the time of the last elections around here I had a nice young man from the FN (Le Pen's charming party) ask me if I didn't think France was going to the dogs with all the foreigners coming in. I mildly remarked that my offspring had grandparents from four different countries and were born in a fifth and that I thought the country was much the better for that kind of mix. I think he understood that he wouldn't be able to rely on my vote.
 
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sophia8 said:
Thanks for that linkBig Les - not seen that before. Maybe I should start wearing a basque, in honour of my Irish-all-the-way-down matrilinial racial heritage. :jaw-dropp
On second thoughts, maybe not....
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Oh go on!

I must admit that I have the book sitting on a shelf, as yet unread. It's pretty dense stuff. Predictably the white nationalists online aren't fans of it, even though if they let the Saxon thing go, it might actually lend support to one of their "arguments".
 
It is quite strange when Brooker and the Archbishop of Canterbury are on the same side!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8066000.stm

And the BNP's reaction to the Bishop's statement really shows the very strange logic they use.

In some literature the BNP makes the claim that they are for a "Christian Britain" and a Britain just like it used to be. Yet when the representatives of the official Church of England speaks against them they say "The archbishops were trying to make themselves relevant in the modern world and the Church should stay out of politics,".

Yet they want "traditional Britain", which means the Britain in which the Church of England has a major constitutional role to play in governing the country and in our political life...
 
ProdigalGuru said:
It seems I have a lot to cover, I will try to get to all of your arguments in a single post.

Murder is not the only route to genocide.
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Yes it is. Hence the use of the word "killing" in the definition that you yourself provide:

Genocide- systematic killing of a racial or cultural group.
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Note also the use, in your own definition, of the word "systematic".

For one person to marry a person of another race kills no-one, nor is it "systematic".

I quoted my Saxon heritage, and yes, it would more accurately be described as Anglo-Saxon, but this was to illustrate that my ancestors came from Germanic tribes instead of Scandinavian tribes.
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And you know this how? Do none of your family come from the Danelaw?

Any Celtic blood?

Saying that I am "white" did not convey any cultural heritage at all.
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So, let me ask you again, what are the defining features of your "culture"?

Name-calling isn't nice, please stop.
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If you do not wish to be called a racist, you have the option of not expressing racist views.

On enforcing racism and holocaust denial vs. the Constitution: I cite the Emancipation Proclamation, the Equal Rights Amendment, Indian Reservations, and Prohibition.
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None of which involved enforcing an opinion such as Holocaust Denial. Thought, last I checked, is still free.
 
You know, being both white and an indigenous ethnic minority (me and 50,000 other Scottish Gaels) I have to say that I find the BNP's stance to be puzzling. Am I, a mere teuchter, acceptable as one of the white overlords or does my right to have my own language, customs, educational streams, and so on mean that I too should be deported? And if the latter, given that my peoples are from Scotland for the last 800-odd years, where do we go? Norway, Ireland? Or do we just go to the camps and be done with it?

In fact, hang on. Let's suppose that the Scots generally decided to adopt the BNP line but to send the English packing. You know, keep our cultures "pure"? Preserve our various languages? How would the BNP like that? Shoe on the other foot, and all that?
 
Dear sir,
I think it is quite despicable that all these foreign Johnny high brow types are allowed to just wander into our ancestral territory, march rough-unshod over our ancient cultural values and have funny looking kids who don't give us any respect.
I intend to support a leader who will restore the status quo ante. I look forward in anticipation of a return to propriety.
Yours sincerely,
H.Habilis.
 
Well documented, thanks

The Don said:
Unless you can account for all of your forebears (as opposed to a single line you have allegedly traced back to the Mayflower) then you have no idea as to your racial heritage. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, a lady who was *convinced* that she was entirely Saxon was shown to be pretty much anything but.

Cultural heritage is easily transferred. British Indians are sometimes more British culturally than the British themselves (the show Goodness Gracious Me has mined this seam of stereotypes very effecively) so if you are basing your preference for your son's wife on skin colour alone then you certainly racist.
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My family had lived in Britain for a very long time prior to our arrival here in the US (in fact many still do), and my family tree has been researched at length.

http://www.harlowfamily.com/info.htm
http://genforum.genealogy.com/harlow/

I would like to add that my views are in no way endorsed by my family, nor do I speak for them.
 
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Redtail said:
What actions? Forbidding marriage to other cultures, intentional migration, forbidding birth control, cultural persecution.

Ok you wouldn't forbid it. Whould you make your reservations known and try to talk him out of it? I would have a long discussion with him no matter who he chose to marry. I would certainly question his motives, and try to determine their level of love and respect for one another. I don't have reservations, merely a preference.


Wait what? I'm pretty sure Christians and Jews agree on a single god (respectively) and who their enemies are. I am sorry, but you are mistaken on this. The number of sects that can not come to an agreement is staggering. Look it up.

The Emancipation Proclamation and the Equal Rights Amendment were oppressive? No, they changed oppressive laws that were already in existence.

Flourish and prosper, no. Flourish and prosper over other cultures. Yes. In a Utopian society, perhaps everyone can prosper equally. In the real world, some will prosper more than others.

What's rational about your having a problem with your son marrying a person with a (supposedly) darker skin color?
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Well, for starters, there are ACTUAL racists who might make his life harder, and that would be a concern. Then there are the children to think about. Currently, life is much easier, all in all, for "white" people. I did not make it so, but it is so nonetheless.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
I 'prefer' The Wire to Monarch of the Glen. Why? Because I think one if better than the other. You prefer (God knows why as they all taste alike) the red Skittles over the yellow ones because: You find one better than the other.

Don't use semantics to get around your racism.

I'm sure if a black father said he'd prefer his son to marry a black woman, you'd be one of the first to cry racist. You'd be right.
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Unlike men, all Skittles are not created equal.
You have no idea what I would do if your hypothetical situation occurred. See, you do not know me, and can only make wild assumptions, it seems.

What I would cry is "It makes sense to me" and "Get off his back".
 
Oh for heaven's sake, your whole position is built on a half-arsed pile of incomplete preconceptions. You seem to assume that if your son were to marry a coloured girl then somehow his culture would be diluted, without considering the social background of said girl. You likewise assume that being pure WASP in some way makes a difference to how one acts, thinks, funtions. Face it, you're mildly racist.
 
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geni said:
So you would be one of those bleeding hearts who belives there is such a thing as cultural genocide? "Bleeding heart" is usually reserved for liberals, while I consider myself a conservative. Yes, I believe in cultural genocide, but only because it happens.


You claim WASP culture and yet object to genocide? Thats some serious doublethink there. While I have cultural pride, I do not necessarily feel proud of ALL the actions of my culture. Were I able to make such decisions, I would have done things differently, to be sure.


Some individuals?? Have you any idea what imperist WASPs got up to? It would likely make Stalin blink (and then take notes probably).
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I find it ironic you keep lumping us all together. I am not responsible for their actions, but they are my heritage. Many cultures commit atrocities.
 
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Dr Adequate said:
Yes it is. Hence the use of the word "killing" in the definition that you yourself provide: I also defined killing, please try to keep up.

Note also the use, in your own definition, of the word "systematic". There is nothing "random" about Muslim immigration.

For one person to marry a person of another race kills no-one, nor is it "systematic". It would be one or more less babies born of the single heritage, ending that heritage one bit at a time, over generations.

And you know this how? Do none of your family come from the Danelaw? Any Celtic blood? I have posted on this already. Feel free to look it up.

So, let me ask you again, what are the defining features of your "culture"? I assume this is a rhetorical question? Regardless, it will not get answered here, to be ridiculed by you.

If you do not wish to be called a racist, you have the option of not expressing racist views. I have already given a definition of racism, in the event you do not own a dictionary. I believe all men are created equal. I also have more in common with people the same skin tone as me. I find it hard to identify with Native Americans, for instance, as I have no frame of reference or common ideology.

None of which involved enforcing an opinion such as Holocaust Denial. Thought, last I checked, is still free.
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Yup, Americans have never enforced a policy policing thought. However, this does not remove it from the scope of possibilities. All it would take is the invention of a "Thought Scanner". Already, biometrics are being considered for use in identifying potential terrorists at airports.
 
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