Blown to Kingdom Come

So, TS, just out of curiosity: Have you changed your mind about any of the issues we've discussed since you started posting here? Has any of the evidence we've provided had any impact whatsoever on you?

Are you willing to admit that any part of the CT is unlikely or just wrong?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
what sort of explosives did this.
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What's taking so long? The explosives made no bang, made no flash, made no shockwave, broke no windows, made no fireball, left no residues, required no detonators, required no wiring, were flameproof, were detonated with split second precision, could be installed without anyone noticing, and had a destructive power greater than 300 tonnes of TNT. They were undetectable before, after or during detonation. How many candidates can there be?
 
Shrinker said:
What's taking so long? The explosives made no bang, made no flash, made no shockwave, broke no windows, made no fireball, left no residues, required no detonators, required no wiring, were flameproof, were detonated with split second precision, could be installed without anyone noticing, and had a destructive power greater than 300 tonnes of TNT. They were undetectable before, after or during detonation. How many candidates can there be?
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Only one... HUSHABOOM! (tm)
 
LashL said:
I disagree that her gender explains anything except that conspiracy theory BSers are quasi equal opportunity BSers. And I'm surprised that you think otherwise. Just as many men as women talk BS all day long without any meaning, probably more, in fact, if governmental agencies are any indication. Sheesh.

If it's governmental people we're talking about, then it's more probable that more men than women are talking **** all day long than women, since there are, relatively speaking, very few women in government.

That said, the particular troll at issue is still a troll and she's still full of **** but it has nothing to do with gender. A troll is a troll is a troll. And she's a troll any way you slice it.
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Why does anyone even think TS1234 is a woman? Are we once again getting TS1234 confused with the original Truthseeker, who is an incredibly smart Skepchick? What evidence do we have of TS1234's gender?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
We see that all of the structural steel is blown apart, and only about 20% of it remains. We have many pictures and videos of steel disintegrating and turning to dust.

Pile of rubble?? What pile?
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We have many pictures and videos of steel disintegrating and turning to dust
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Did you post one?
I haven't seen one.

Pile of rubble?? What pile
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Have you ever looked at what the pile looks like after a controlled demolition. It's very small in comparison to the building. Do you think it is small becuase the building was blown to kingdom come by explosives or is it because of the impact with the ground. You do know that in a controlled demo they don't demolish the building with explosives they cut the supports and let gravity and the ground do the rest of the work.The rubble pile is small because buildings are mostly air believe it or not thats why we can move around in them. In this case the rubble pile also looks smaller because of the several floors of basement.



What puzzles me is you must know these things so do you actually believe what you post.
 
Horatius said:
So, TS, just out of curiosity: Have you changed your mind about any of the issues we've discussed since you started posting here? Has any of the evidence we've provided had any impact whatsoever on you?

Are you willing to admit that any part of the CT is unlikely or just wrong?
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I have seen no evidence that the buildings fell down. I began by stating that it appears to me that some very large percentage of the non-metallic mass of the twin towers was rendered into fine powder. Though JREF's have had no shortage of statements to the contrary, I have seen no evidence to the contrary. You have shown me pictures accounting for, at most, 1/10th of 1% of the concrete.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
I have seen no evidence that the buildings fell down. I began by stating that it appears to me that some very large percentage of the non-metallic mass of the twin towers was rendered into fine powder. Though JREF's have had no shortage of statements to the contrary, I have seen no evidence to the contrary. You have shown me pictures accounting for, at most, 1/10th of 1% of the concrete.
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Yes, the buildings are still standing, so so much for our argument.

So you are agreeing that the powder from the twin towers WASN'T steel?

1/10th of 1%? Where did you come up with this conclusion?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
I have seen no evidence that the buildings fell down. I began by stating that it appears to me that some very large percentage of the non-metallic mass of the twin towers was rendered into fine powder. Though JREF's have had no shortage of statements to the contrary, I have seen no evidence to the contrary. You have shown me pictures accounting for, at most, 1/10th of 1% of the concrete.
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and you have shown no proof that it WAS powerderized, except for your claims that you have no been proved wrong

so truthseeker1234, i beleive you are not a real person, but simply a browser script programmed to spread inane conspiracy theories on internet forums, i have seen no evidence to the contrary, prove me wrong.
 
And after receiving much evidence that contradicts his OP and responding to little or none of it, troothydude1234 will just simply go on to start another thread on a completely different subject. Rinse, lather, repeat.

The wheels on the bus go round and round.

This debate tactic is right out of conspiracy theory 101. Never stick to a single topic, because it's quantity of evidence that counts, not quality.

Sigh
 
TS1234:

do you not see concrete in this picture?
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how many similar peices of debris were recovered but not photographed?
do you expect clean up workers to photograph every single chunk they removed from the site?
 
defaultdotxbe said:
TS1234:

do you not see concrete in this picture?
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how many similar peices of debris were recovered but not photographed?
do you expect clean up workers to photograph every single chunk they removed from the site?
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This is a great picture. Scale is a little hard to ascertain, but let's be generous and say this is one ton of concrete. This is 1/200,000 of what I'm looking for.

As far as "similar pieces of debris", I'm looking for acre-sized slabs, with a rectangular hole, like giant square donuts, 220 of them. Thus far I have found zero.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
A crater is a concave depression caused by a high velocity impact or shockwave. No crater is visible in the photograph provided.

It is as though you have shown us a picture of a decapitated corpse and claimed the victim was killed by atheletes foot.].
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You are completely and utterly lacking in the knowledge and experience to discuss this topic ].[/QUOTE]
Adjusted last sentence, from all the threads Killthought, Truthslickercounter and pdoughboy, etc have pulled, it is clear that none of them have the remotest idea of how explosives work, what happens to structural materials under various stresses, basic laws of physics (and chemistry) and their application to the circumstances of 9/11, gas, smoke (-yes, I know it's not a gas but flow pattern is very similar in moving air) movement in air, or any other thing scientific/engineering that is involved. If the people they listen to/read did, that might be ok - but they don't either and many of them do lie about their knowledge base. As I have said before, I loathe Bush and his BBoy handlers/cronies but NOTHING has demonstrated to me the possibility they were involved in the 9/11 thing except in response to it.
 
Garb said:
So you are agreeing that the powder from the twin towers WASN'T steel?

1/10th of 1%? Where did you come up with this conclusion?
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When the event is over, we observe shredded steel strewn about upon a vast field of dust. JREF members have shown pictures of rescue efforts and such that show pieces of concrete that escaped disintegration. My generous estimates are that these pictures show 200 tons, total. Tops. That would be 1/10th of 1%, using the figure 200,000 tons of concrete.

Clearly, if there had been significant amounts of the floor assemblies remaining intact, they would be observed in the pictures I have posted. They are not. I think the mushroom cloud is a clue as to what happened. Here's a picture of the mushroom cloud forming, and some steel beams evaporating as they fall.
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TruthSeeker1234 said:
I'm looking for acre-sized slabs, with a rectangular hole, like giant square donuts, 220 of them. Thus far I have found zero.
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and i wouldnt expect you to find any undamaged floors, it would be quite suspicious if an acre of concrete can fall 1300 feet and not break
 
I think the mushroom cloud is a clue as to what happened. Here's a picture of the mushroom cloud forming, and some steel beams evaporating as they fall.
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Uh...boy, here we go. Micro nukes..... anyone,Bueller?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
This is a great picture. Scale is a little hard to ascertain, but let's be generous and say this is one ton of concrete. This is 1/200,000 of what I'm looking for.

As far as "similar pieces of debris", I'm looking for acre-sized slabs, with a rectangular hole, like giant square donuts, 220 of them. Thus far I have found zero.
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You want to see the floors COMPLETELY INTACT?!? :jaw-dropp What in the world makes you think that is even possible? Do you have even a rudimentary understanding of the laws of physics? This post would be longer, but I'm rather speechless at the moment.
 
eeyore1954 said:
Have you ever looked at what the pile looks like after a controlled demolition. It's very small in comparison to the building.
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Observe
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Notice how so much of the skeleton is still clearly visible. It has merely been sliced into pieces and allowed to collpase. Not disintegrated.

So here is the hierarchy. Gravity collapse (least disintegration) > standard controlled demolition (some disintegration) > twin towers (near total disintegration)
 
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