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Anecdotes are a form of evidence. They aren't very hard evidence, but still a type of evidence in my opinion. The geographical patterns found in sightings are a much harder form of evidence.

The PGF is another form of strong evidence.

Of course, people can use all sorts of special-pleading to try and dismiss these. And they can at least to their own satisfaction because evidence is all it is, not proof.

Based on your reasoning, Santa Claus is more likely to be real. We have many more Anecdotes, a long recorded history, claims of sitings up on the roof, TV shows, an annual migration that occurs in late December every year, presents left under Christmas trees and cookies and milk that magically disappear. (I think Good-N-Plentys would work, too). Everything Footie has, Santa has more....

So, do you believe Santa is a living entity? IF not, why not?
 
In bigfooter taxonomy, I sense a good deal of overlap between hoaxers and BLAARGers. I see the former as a subset of the latter. Thoughts?

Hoaxers are by definition alternate reality gamers, yes.

There's just one question, and it comes down to lying: are they playing a game with a role that isn't true? If we follow the format of Game Theory in mathematics then a skeptic is also playing the game. On a place like the Bigfoot Forum he plays the role of dupe. He doesn't realize the other players are pretending to believe and he responds to all the tropes as if he expected them to be reasonable and consider them honestly.

So long as the over-all game pertains to an alternate reality then some players within the game can be honest people. In a con game they are absolutely essential, because it is their money getting stolen In bigfoot you have TV audiences that do not play an active role but are vital as consumers of the propaganda. The advertisers are indirect participants, but not lying about anything except their own products, lol.

The OP is a hoax within the larger game. The most vocal antagonist of BLAARGing, sowing disinformation and using it as a platform to attack his most hated enemy on this site is pretending he wants everyone to understand it and give the proponents the lead in exposition.

That is no different from laying down fake tracks: your actions are designed to trick someone into thinking something different from reality. His intended targets are dupes who he wants to convert to his Legend Tripping model by sticking as much tar onto the BLAARGing model as he can.

So he is a player in the over-all bigfoot alternate reality game, and some of his actions in attacking the existence of bigfoot itself are in alignment with others here, and we would call that portion of it honest play. But his over-all objective within the game is to have his personal model rise to ascendancy so his strategy vis-à-vis proponents of the BLAARGing hypothesis is to make it look as bad as he can while pretending to be giving it a fair shake.

In game theory we have what is known as first mover advantage, and in sowing disinformation you want to be out there first, muddying the waters as much as you can and making your opponent act from the defensive. 'Footers know this well, making their opponents respond to endless canards instead of putting forth evidence for bigfoot.
 
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Apparently some people don't know what evidence means.

Evidence of what? (be specific, and scientific)


The only "evidence" that bigfooters often point to shows bigfoot to be nothing but the three categories I've listed. That's what is has "proven" to be by the "evidence". Not a 8-10 foot beast alleged to toss candy at campers in order to remain elusive and undiscovered indefinitely.

The "evidence" all so often referred to by footers like DWA and the likes (or rather him parroting Meldrum) proves the opposite of their theories. The proof says bigfoot is one of three things and all of them are people related, not beast related. So yes, lets talk about this evidence. Be specific.

Exactly which evidence are you referring to? Be very specific with your instances or examples. Lets see what your very best has to offer. Lets see what this is "evidence of".
 
Is a former bigfoot believer, now staunch skeptic, still BLAARGing? Is his character class Apostate? :)
IMO, a person is BLAARGing only when they intentionally misrepresent their own actual belief. Examples of BLAARG...

A skeptic who pretends to be and says that they are a believer.

A believer who pretends to be and says that they are a skeptic.

It is required that this person intentionally misrepresents their actual belief in either words or actions or both.

The only way that I could BLAARG is to say that I am and/or act like I am a Bigfoot believer.
 
IMO, a person is BLAARGing only when they intentionally misrepresent their own actual belief. Examples of BLAARG...

A skeptic who pretends to be and says that they are a believer.

A believer who pretends to be and says that they are a skeptic.

It is required that this person intentionally misrepresents their actual belief in either words or actions or both.

The only way that I could BLAARG is to say that I am and/or act like I am a Bigfoot believer.

Since I am not misrepresenting my own actual beliefs, then I'm not a BLAARGer?
 
I understand your desire to say that.

And I understand the entire BLAARGing premise, but it is flawed. The premise starts with sasquatch is not real, so therefore, anyone taking the "knower" position must, by definition be lying, thus playing the game. I will be happy to interject myself into this equation as a test subject.

I know they exist, I am not pretending nor am I misrepresenting anything with regard to the subject. In my mind, I know that I am not lying, so I am not playing a game, even if you don't believe me. Your desire to pigeon hole the sasquatch phenomena into a single one size fits all isn't correct, from my point of view.

I don't expect you or anyone else in this forum to stray to far from the BLAARG theory because everyone is in agreement with the initial premise, which again, is flawed.
 
And I understand the entire BLAARGing premise, but it is flawed. The premise starts with sasquatch is not real, so therefore, anyone taking the "knower" position must, by definition be lying, thus playing the game.
BLAARGing could still be a thing if bigfoots were real. If bigfoots were real but confined to the PNW then the NAWACKies would still be a-BLAARGing in the Squachitas of Oklahoma.

A person could claim knower status based on a misidentification or hallucination, and that wouldn't involve BLAARGing. It's only when the so-called knowers claim ridiculous crap like the following that it's obvious BLAARGery:

*multiple sightings/habituations, especially in well-studied/exploited areas
*science-ish approach to solving the mystery but doing things antithetical to accomplishing that objective
*bigfoot behaviors that place them in close contact and/or conflict with humans, e.g., stealing corn, chasing livestock, throwing candies, eating Zagnuts, howling Moneymaker-style, leaving gifts, smacking trees, walking across sandbars in broad daylight, throwing anything but their own poop, etc.
 
BLAARGing could still be a thing if bigfoots were real. If bigfoots were real but confined to the PNW then the NAWACKies would still be a-BLAARGing in the Squachitas of Oklahoma.

A person could claim knower status based on a misidentification or hallucination, and that wouldn't involve BLAARGing. It's only when the so-called knowers claim ridiculous crap like the following that it's obvious BLAARGery:

*multiple sightings/habituations, especially in well-studied/exploited areas
*science-ish approach to solving the mystery but doing things antithetical to accomplishing that objective
*bigfoot behaviors that place them in close contact and/or conflict with humans, e.g., stealing corn, chasing livestock, throwing candies, eating Zagnuts, howling Moneymaker-style, leaving gifts, smacking trees, walking across sandbars in broad daylight, throwing anything but their own poop, etc.

Since I've claimed "ridiculous crap", I'm obviously a BLAARGer, but what if everything I've said is 100% true, which it is. Again, in my mind, I'm telling you the 100% truth. How can I be playing a game by telling the truth?
 
Since I've claimed "ridiculous crap", I'm obviously a BLAARGer, but what if everything I've said is 100% true, which it is. Again, in my mind, I'm telling you the 100% truth. How can I be playing a game by telling the truth?
Unless you can produce something to prove your belief is a reality to someone other than yourself, you would be delusional.
http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/delusional-disorder

Not trying to be ugly...so the good news is your not a BLAARGer you just might be suffering from a mental illness.
 
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Since I've claimed "ridiculous crap", I'm obviously a BLAARGer, but what if everything I've said is 100% true, which it is. Again, in my mind, I'm telling you the 100% truth. How can I be playing a game by telling the truth?

If you're claiming to be a knower based on the anecdotes you've related here, you can't possible be telling the 100% truth. Sorry, but no. What you are is a very naïve victim of a BLAARG.
 
Again, in my mind, I'm telling you the 100% truth.
You are 100% certain that you have seen bigfoots on multiple occasions?
You are 100% certain that bigfoots stole a bunch of corn and stacked it 6' high (even though the photo showed it to be more like 18")?
You are 100% certain that your bigfoot tracking buddies were tailed by a bigfoot just outside the light of your campfire, and that bigfoot tossed a Good-n-Plenty on one of your party who had spilled that same piece of candy earlier in the evening?
 
We have some decisions to make about terminology and it should eventually become a sticky, but let me illustrate how we did game theory in mathematics.

For a game, all you need is players, rules, sets of strategies and tactics, and outcomes or "payoffs". We have thus far taken on the layman's idea of "gaming", where someone gaming another party is tricking them. That isn't how the mathematicians view it. All players are in the game.

This is how the mathematicians would model a simple two-player game between a skeptic and a 'footer:

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In this illustration we have given the 'footer two options: Debate honestly or lie. The Skeptic has been given one choice of arguing using science principles, but only regarding the existence of bigfoot. His second option is to use science, but with the additional knowledge of Live Action Alternate Reality Gaming.

The outcomes are in the four boxes, with the upper right of each box being the outcome to the 'footer and the lower left the outcome to the skeptic. The intersection of the column chosen by the 'footer and the row chosen by the skeptic tells us the relevant pay-off box. If the 'footer argues honestly then he loses bigfoot regardless of how the skeptic approaches things. Science prevails. The skeptic produces another skeptic out of a 'footer if all he does is argue the evidence for bigfoot. But there is an additional pay-off to the skeptic in arguing from the knowledge of Alternate Reality Gaming: he advances the frontier of science knowledge, demonstrating how it applies to the bigfoot arena. It solves an important mystery: how people can be so blind to overwhelming evidence.

All you have to do is look at it from the 'footer's perspective: the only way to keep bigfoot alive is to lie. They have no choice. BLAARGing means keeping bigfoot alive.

If the 'footer takes that lying approach, and the skeptic argues the evidence, then the BLAARGer has fun perpetually not just because he gets to keep bigfoot, but he toys with the stupid skeptic who is exhausting himself in vain. The literature regarding people who use all of these deceptive tactics tells us what motivates them is the sheer joy of manipulating other people, especially those you resent. A 6th grade educated BLAARGer can have a PhD scientist on his knees begging them to be reasonable or running off fact-checking every stupid canard the 'footer uses when the 'footer knows it is a lie to begin with. It is called Duper's Delight.

If the 'footer lies (BLAARGs) and the skeptic argues from science, but with the knowledge of Live Action Role Playing, then he will still never convert the 'Footer. But he does advance the frontier of science - how Live Action Role Playing applies to bigfoot. The 'footer loses something important to him and makes the game less fun. Anytime you are deceiving people and they become wise to you, it ruins Duper's Delight.

I did this to illustrate the difference between how the mathematicians approach this vs. what we are doing. I think if we proceed as most seem to want, we should call the over-all game the Bigfoot Game. Then you have the 'footers and faux skeptics BLAARGing and skeptics who are playing the bigfoot game too, but acting from science principles. Skeptics don't BLAARG as a general rule until some conflict of interest arises like opening up a consulting business to woo-peddlers or when they have a pet theory they want to push in favor of another, and then they start acting just like a 'footer on that particular subject matter.
 
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Really? Pascals Wager for Figbootery?

The difference is which side can back up their side of the "game" with actual evidence.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter which side of the "game" is playing it better.

It doesn't make Figboot exist or the nigh cult like fervor of the hard core BLAARGers any more sane.
 
Really? Pascals Wager for Figbootery?

No. Pascal's wager can be modeled with game theory. That does not make game theory Pascal's wager.

Addition is mathematics but that does not make differential equations addition. Both are mathematics but they are completely different subsets within mathematics.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter which side of the "game" is playing it better.

I can't even make sense of your post, but it seems to be some kind of attempt to ridicule something you don't understand, namely game theory. Since you don't like Pascal's wager, you've decided all of game theory must be stupid.

Game theory is an important tool used by a number of scientists in many different fields - Economics, political science, biology, computer science, business, etc. Eleven game theorists have won Nobel prizes in my field alone.

It applies best to situations where you have strategic interaction amongst agents with rational, intelligent decision-making capacities. That is exactly this situation.
 
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