Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

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Check with the DTU if you are still confused or better yet pay them to produce the graph!

That would be the sensible choice: Ask DTU to confirm or reject the conventional law of gravity, when defining the task.

But if course, Bjarne dares not do that, because deep down he knows what the result would be.

The most hilarious part is that Bjarne has not even read the report he has paid for. He talks about gusts of wind, earth tremors, and traffic vibration, but when we read the report:

Each CG5 measured 4 sets of 60 sec. Each set consisted of 55 measurements of 1 sec and a time delay of 5 sec to store the data. Thus, for each instrument, and for each station (one on each floor), 4 data were obtained each of which is an average of 55 individual measurements. In practice, to save time, the two instruments measured in parallel on two different floors. Station #2 at the ground floor was measured twice by each instrument.

So, of course, being professionals, the DTU people have safeguarded against spurious noise by deriving each station from a series of measurements.

I think this must be more or less the pinnacle of idiocy: To pay good money to have an experiment conducted, but define the experiment such that it does not fulfill it's purpose, and then top it all by failing to read and understand the report.

Hans :nope:
 
One way to find out how much error is introduced from the environment and the instrument is to take multiple measurements. The spread in these measurements then indicates the error that you can expect in taking additional measurements. This is expressed as a standard deviation (often called sigma after the Greek letter sigma used to denote it).

A instruments measures so far I remember thousand of time per minutes, - and calculate the average.

The result is data per minute, each measurements lasted 4 rounds, and from these you also use a average.

We used two gravimeter to the measurement, - we are here speaking about, the second gravimeter is measuring the exact same places so soon the first is finish, - this is to detect if the instruments agrees with each other.

Furthermore you always finish the same place as you begins, this allow you to know the difference due to moon, sun, tide, - and because the software knows all the measurements moments / time, - it can automatically filter these influences as well.

So don’t worry these people are doing a professional job.

Even so your graph (however you calculated the values) shows that your ADG is not constant in the building.
Exactly like the gravimeter calculate the average,
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and exactly because this bottom (above) is the most used in physic.

I have the right to say YES ADG is stable (deviation of 6 microgal / = insignificant and especially when you clearly can see the reason).

Of course your graphs are useless because you never calculate the buildings ADG.
It is almost the same as you say, that even though that you know that the cows give 12 liter milk every day, because you can see it an measure it, then this is useless because you have never calculated exactly 12 liter.

Try to understand, the calculation is not the primary things to do, - it is rather to confirm or disconfirm whether the gravity pattern left behind, can be explained based on the blind orthodox thesis, or if it can be explain based on a new theory explaining from A to Z from gravity really is, - and does.

That would be the sensible choice: Ask DTU to confirm or reject the conventional law of gravity, when defining the task.
First few days ago I got the idea that COG seems to be near 3th floor. (After I got the new floor height measurements from Cristian)

Still we need drawings of the building and finish the 4 lower measures centrally in the building.
And for perfection reasons I MUST be able to guarantee all the floor heights are 200 % correct measured.

After this is done, you’ll see.

So, of course, being professionals, the DTU people have safeguarded against spurious noise by deriving each station from a series of measurements.
I think this must be more or less the pinnacle of idiocy: To pay good money to have an experiment conducted, but define the experiment such that it does not fulfill it's purpose, and then top it all by failing to read and understand the report.

I have told DTU to wait finishing the last report and modeling until :

  • The last 4 measurement (central) in the building is done.
  • I have done the last floor height measurement/check on all floors
  • I have the copy of the drawing

My friend it is already too late, the signs are already clear, the old speculating is already completely dead. Now it is only left to fall.

I am pretty sure when the job is completed we are facing a even bigger surprise, - and I hope it is big enough to get this finding published.
 
I have the right to say YES ADG is stable (deviation of 6 microgal / = insignificant and especially when you clearly can see the reason).
You are wrong.
  1. The measured ADG varies from 981547.684 mGal (ground floor) to 981521.273 mGal (top floor).
  2. Select a baseline of the top floor and the measured ADG - baseline has a variation of 26.411 mGal.
  3. Multiply the free air gradient by height to get the get the free air ADG for the floors.
  4. The measured ADG - baseline - free air ADG (the ADG of the Domus Vista building) has a deviation of 57.888 mGal.
  5. The ADG of the Domus Vista building is never constant and there is no step in it as required by your debunked idea.
By defintion a deviation of any value that is outside the errors (0.008 mGal) is a deviation!

Try to understand, the calculation is not the primary things to do, - it is rather to confirm or disconfirm whether the gravity pattern left behind, can be explained based on the blind orthodox thesis, or if it can be explain based on a new theory explaining from A to Z from gravity really is, - and does.
That is idiotic. You have to do calculations to derive the building's ADG and see the pattern. The pattern is that the building's ADG vaires in a stright line thus debunking your idea.

First few days ago I got the idea that COG seems to be near 3th floor. (After I got the new floor height measurements from Cristian)
To move the center of gravity down you need to either
  • Add more mass below the existing COG.
  • Pack the existing mass below the existing COG into a smaller volume.
The consequence of this idea of yours is that half of the mass of Domus Vista is below the 3rd floor. That means that the top 27 floors have were constructed with the rest of the mass, i.e. are many times lighter than the lower 3 floors :eye-poppi!

Alternately what you are proposing is that the lower 3 floors are 10 times lower than upper floors :jaw-dropp!

 
Funny how Bjarne refuses to understand that he cannot establish the COG. :nope:

Hans
 
Select a baseline of the top floor and the measured ADG - baseline has a variation of 26.411 mGal.
This is one of the reasons to that I prefer to socialize with cows.

Muhh-Cows are much too intelligent to invent/manipulate a baseline at pleasure.

These creatures are in general much more objective, and would never even dreams about to invent dark galaxies, plenty dimension, higgs, parallels universes, and space that can bend.

Now a day’s cows are the only creatures that respect the good old scientific methods.

Science like in the good old days seems to be over, - even chicken logic objective simple measurement results are now ignored, - now a day’s turbo science has completely taken over.

But it is not so bad; in the cow society a lot is going on to save the human race for completely nuts escalation / derailing.

I am an optimist, mother cow fully agree, we will get the young generation to understand what gravity is and does, and get some of the physic back on the track.
 
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:jaw-dropp:eek::jaw-dropp

Wow... I thought that with a couple hours free time i could come here & try to gain some understanding of the debate here. Boy, was i wrong....

I will have to schedule a 4-week vacation (after 10 yrs of schooling at Harvard) to catch up with you guys/gals.

When this thread nears a close, would someone impartial be willing to provide a nice, simple summary of all sides of this debate (plus pertinent and reliable links)? Because, to be honest, i was already quite unrealistic by suggesting i might be able to put a just one day aside to even begin to follow any of this.

:confused:

*** Until then, i still stand by what i said earlier:
For any of you (right or wrong) to even understand the argument itself is truly amazing to me. I am incredibly envious and humbled. :boggled:
 
:jaw-dropp:eek::jaw-dropp

Wow... I thought that with a couple hours free time i could come here & try to gain some understanding of the debate here. Boy, was i wrong....

I will have to schedule a 4-week vacation (after 10 yrs of schooling at Harvard) to catch up with you guys/gals.

When this thread nears a close, would someone impartial be willing to provide a nice, simple summary of all sides of this debate (plus pertinent and reliable links)? Because, to be honest, i was already quite unrealistic by suggesting i might be able to put a just one day aside to even begin to follow any of this.
:confused:


The only impartial part is here:
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:...12GEo&t=1&usg=__hJYaW8hR3aQJ5v3YrEyur55yRAo=:
I mean here brain has never been affected by turbo orthodox mass psychotic creeds.

*** Until then, i still stand by what i said earlier:
For any of you (right or wrong) to even understand the argument itself is truly amazing to me. I am incredibly envious and humbled. :boggled

My opinion, (written on the backside of a stamp) is: The expression: curved space is clumsy, - Matter is causing space to stretch towards matter, = a space vacuum, - or a vacuum in the space density if you better prefer. Assuming this, - means all silly mysteries related to gravity automatically simply disappear, as well as the cause of gravity reveals itself. This is easy to prove, and will be proven.
 
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:jaw-dropp:eek::jaw-dropp

Wow... I thought that with a couple hours free time i could come here & try to gain some understanding of the debate here. Boy, was i wrong....

I will have to schedule a 4-week vacation (after 10 yrs of schooling at Harvard) to catch up with you guys/gals.

When this thread nears a close, would someone impartial be willing to provide a nice, simple summary of all sides of this debate (plus pertinent and reliable links)? Because, to be honest, i was already quite unrealistic by suggesting i might be able to put a just one day aside to even begin to follow any of this.

:confused:

*** Until then, i still stand by what i said earlier:
For any of you (right or wrong) to even understand the argument itself is truly amazing to me. I am incredibly envious and humbled. :boggled:
There is a very good saying that goes something like this,

Ignorant people can be helped, everyone is ignorant of many things and many can be taught.

Stupid people on the other hand will stay stupid no matter what you try, run away from them as fast as you can.

Paul


:) :) :)

This thread has long passed Stupid, there is nothing to be learned here, and anyone that doesn't see that is....................

RUN
 
There is a very good saying that goes something like this,
Ignorant people can be helped, everyone is ignorant of many things and many can be taught.

Stupid people on the other hand will stay stupid no matter what you try, run away from them as fast as you can.
Paul
:) :) :)
This thread has long passed Stupid, there is nothing to be learned here, and anyone that doesn't see that is....................
RUN


Coward runs
Real big coward manipulate (the floor height) and runs.
Real scientists stay back and defend what they believe in.
Reel Intelligent Scientist admits when a thesis has fallen, so soon clear objective measurements do not support the old creeds.
 
This is one of the reasons to that I prefer to socialize with cows.
...more cow fetish stuff....
You have made it quite obvious that your knowledge of science was given to you by your mother cow :D!

As I stated:
You (and the cow that you think is talking to you) are wrong.
  1. The measured ADG varies from 981547.684 mGal (ground floor) to 981521.273 mGal (top floor).
  2. Select a baseline of the top floor and the measured ADG - baseline has a variation of 26.411 mGal.
  3. Multiply the free air gradient by height to get the get the free air ADG for the floors.
  4. The measured ADG - baseline - free air ADG (the ADG of the Domus Vista building) has a deviation of 57.888 mGal.
  5. The ADG of the Domus Vista building is never constant and there is no step in it as required by your debunked idea.
And you ignored that in order to move the COG down to the 3rd floor, half of the mass of Domus Vista must be below the 3rd floor. That means that the top 27 floors have were constructed with the rest of the mass, i.e. are many times lighter than the lower 3 floors :eye-poppi! Alternately what you are proposing is that the lower 3 floors are 10 times lower than upper floors :jaw-dropp!

 
As I stated:
You (and the cow that you think is talking to you) are wrong.
  1. The measured ADG varies from 981547.684 mGal (ground floor) to 981521.273 mGal (top floor).
  2. Select a baseline of the top floor and the measured ADG - baseline has a variation of 26.411 mGal.
  3. Multiply the free air gradient by height to get the get the free air ADG for the floors.
  4. The measured ADG - baseline - free air ADG (the ADG of the Domus Vista building) has a deviation of 57.888 mGal.
  5. The ADG of the Domus Vista building is never constant and there is no step in it as required by your debunked idea.
And you ignored that in order to move the COG down to the 3rd floor, half of the mass of Domus Vista must be below the 3rd floor. That means that the top 27 floors have were constructed with the rest of the mass, i.e. are many times lighter than the lower 3 floors :eye-poppi! Alternately what you are proposing is that the lower 3 floors are 10 times lower than upper floors :jaw-dropp!

All you stated is that you have to manipulate the floor height to 3 meter, - completely taken out of free fantasy.
Reference :
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6383938&postcount=1885
Quote: In my spreadsheet, I used 3 meters per floor for the height…..etc..

Such silly manipulation speaks for it self..
I call this coward-science.

You have made it quite obvious that your knowledge of science was given to you by your mother cow :D!

And you know what?
Mother cow is even not proud, - this knowledge is not something big to here, - but exactly so stupid naturally simple that; a cloud full of rain is heavier than a cloud without that much rain, - or so silly simple that a cow belong the grass fields, and cow house, - not the clouds, - and so simple like that space is involved in gravity, in a way that the most clumsy cow (in the world) never would express in a such clumsy way as; - clumsy bended space.

Shortly spoken; Even the most clumsy, senile (more than99,999999999999999956 %) and brain damage (more than 99,9999999999999999999999999999999999998 %) - cow would never state that space bends.

NOBODY have ever objective seen that space really BENDS.

But completely nuts is this clumsy expression also not, - because it is able to lead our attention further,--- to the direction, - that space must have some kind of density. Otherwise space cannot clumsy “BEND”

If space was nothing it cannot bend.
So the idea that space do have some kind of "density" MUST already be (clumsy) born.

In a same way if a cow is nothing, - a cow (that do not exist), - it can also not bend.

In the same way if we admit Yes the cow bend, then the cow also MUST physical exist.

So the first step is off course to understand that YES space is; “something clumsy strange” – BUT WHAT CLUMSY ???

It is exactly here the human race sooner or later will be force to admit that mother cow is necessary to support us, and get "us" out of the clumsy bended darkness.
 
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All you stated is that you have to manipulate the floor height to 3 meter, - completely taken out of free fantasy.
Reference :

All I stated is that you (Bjarne) have to manipulate the floor height to 0.3 meter or increase the mass by 10, - completely taken out of free fantasy.

Such silly manipulation speaks for itself.
I call this coward-ignorance. You are obviously too afraid to learn actual science.

 
You mean like gravitational lensing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_ring
Yeah, we have objectively seen space bend. Check that link, there's even a pretty picture.
Strictly speaking Bjarne is right because it is impossible to directly see space.
NOBODY have ever objective seen that space really BENDS.
Of course he is still wrong
  • "NOBODY have ever objective seen that space really STRETCHES" as in Bjarne's debunked fantasy.
    So the same twisted logic debunks his already debunked idea :eye-poppi!
  • NOBODY has ever cliamed that space BENDS.
  • EVERYBODY can see that the universe acts as if spacetime BENDS.
    As you mention gravitational lensing and all of the other passed tests of general relativity.
  • Curved space is not contracted space.
    First posted 11 November 2009 (11 months of delusion from Bjarne and counting...).
 
You mean like gravitational lensing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_ring
Yeah, we have objectively seen space bend. Check that link, there's even a pretty picture.

Bended space is a heavy elephant clumsy expression and will always be so.

This is really a misleading expression, and comes from the fact that lightbends.

BUT this does not mean that space bends.

I have before asked how space can bend.

Is space bending;
  1. To the right ?
  2. To the left ?
  3. Upwards ?
  4. Inwards ?
You can’t answer these questions simply because the expression: “bends” is rubbish.

Space is “stretching” – due to gravity, - therefore a light beam bends, - when passing close to a big mass, e.g; the sun.

The light beam tries to move in a way where it keeps the correct distance, to the left and right / up and down.

But when the distance towards for example the left side suddenly deforms / stretches, - , exactly this will be revealed as a curved path for the light beam.

Hence NOTHING (except the light beam) bends.

bend.jpg

What really happens is that distance close to the Sun is relative “larger” - therefore a light beam is “pushed” outwards from the Sun, in a “curved” path.
The same is causing the so called gravitionel lensing.
 
I have before asked how space can bend.


Is space bending;
  1. To the right ?
  2. To the left ?
  3. Upwards ?
  4. Inwards ?
...
That is part of your ignorance.
Spacetime bends in all directions. Mass makes all directions "longer"
  1. To the right yes.
  2. To the left yes
  3. Upwards yes
  4. Inwards yes
  5. outwards yes
  6. all directions yes
Often the rubber sheet model is used to describe this but it is not really applicable to GR.

 
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