Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

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Still only 24 ??
A shame
You know when reaching 25 you have won a tour to Auckland, (jumping in a bucket) right ?
25 now in The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads! I win a prize :jaw-dropp!

A shame that you are incapable of answering the simplest questions, e.g.
Does Bjarne know that the Lorentz factor does not have any units of measurement?
First asked 22 November 2009


And there is the eternal demostration of your delusion that physical quantities can be arbitrarily assigned units of measurement, e.g. an equation that returns numbers (no units) can be given units of m/s^2 or coulombs or kilograms just because Bjarne wants it to return acceleration or charge or mass. You ignorantly give the Lorentz factor - 1 (a number) the units or acceleration.
To make this simpler:
  • The Lorentz factor (y) is a number with no units of measurement.
  • 1 is a number with no units of measurement.
  • Subtracting 1 from the Lorentz factor is a number with no units of measurement.
  • Thus (y-1) cannot be an acceleration since accelerations have units of measurement.
 
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Instead of making stupid remarks, why don't you answer the questions?

You can answer them, can't you?

ETA: This post is in reply to #1480.
 
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You can answer them, can't you?
Which questions?

Please provide the gravity reading obtained at the base of the empty tank.
You would anyway in the end of the day take zero for the weight for 1000 cows wouldn’t you?
Until recently I thought you were serious, but the last post of yours put a end to the hope that it was possible to reach you.
 
Until recently I thought you were serious, but the last post of yours put a end to the hope that it was possible to reach you.
:jaw-dropp

It seems that although Bjarne does not understand most of the information that he is working with, he does have an intuitive understanding of what kind of information would be fatal for his pet fantasies. We can see that he has a strong resistance to knowing such information. :D

I say, let him waste his money - again!
 
Please provide the gravity reading obtained at the base of the empty tank.

A very simple task. Let's see if you can do that.

Hans
 
Until recently I thought you were serious, but the last post of yours put a end to the hope that it was possible to reach you.

What kind of dishonest charlatan are you if you don't even want to disclose data vital for the experiment up front?
 

Insults will not help you.

Bjarne, I have to inform you that if you cannot publish your baseline up front, your final report will not be believed. This is your own fault for undermining your own credibility. ... To a point where it is non-existing.

Personally, I wouldn't trust you to tell me the time of day. You have lied and obfusciated, insulted everyone to no end. You don't understand your own theories. You don't even understand your own data.

I'm sorry, but quite frankly, I would not hold it beyond you to fake information to prove your point. Especially not as a proper experiment is going to prove you wrong.

So, to bolster your credibility (which is presently at a homeopathic level of around 30C), you' better get that info.

Hans
 
Insults will not help you.

Bjarne, I have to inform you that if you cannot publish your baseline up front, your final report will not be believed. This is your own fault for undermining your own credibility. ... To a point where it is non-existing.

Personally, I wouldn't trust you to tell me the time of day. You have lied and obfusciated, insulted everyone to no end. You don't understand your own theories. You don't even understand your own data.

I'm sorry, but quite frankly, I would not hold it beyond you to fake information to prove your point. Especially not as a proper experiment is going to prove you wrong.

So, to bolster your credibility (which is presently at a homeopathic level of around 30C), you' better get that info.

Hans

Every cow had have access to the data, and could have done own conclusion.
You have demonstrated that the FAG 2 meter + / - doesn’t matter to you.
As I wrote Hans I do no longer believe I can reach you.

Here are the values
Everyone cow can see (an calculate) the green values (microgal). These are the difference when you compare FAG with the ADG measurements.

Yellow is the result if I the floor is 22 cm. (included the 2 cm wear layer) instead of 20 cm. New measurement of the floor thickness will be done in next week. At the same time the floor thickness inside the building will be compared to that measured at the lift shaft. (these a stupid cow can understand as well).

ADGMDV.jpg

If the yellow values are correct, (22 cm. floor thickness) ADG is not stable but accelerating, the whole way to ground floor - ( so like I believe it to be the case until changing my opinion to a; stable ADG version some time ago).
Even if a acc. version should be the truth and hence "a surprise" (now) , this as well will not really surprise me a lot either.

But Hans I am sorry, that I am afraid I can no longer reach you.
You seems to be almost at least a factor +10.000 off (since you can get a deviation = 0.79 MICRO gal) - This is far from the measure cow-objective measurements results. - Your last 20 post clearly demonstrate this huge "distance" between your "reality", - and the cow logic simple objective calculations.

So have a nice trip out there in the unknown dimention or where ever you might be. .( I hope you’ll return to Earth soon)

Maybe the floor thickness only is 21 cm that too will change a lot.
Furthermore the wall is thicker in the bottom this also will change to picture, then ADG could very well be stable.
A building is a difficult target.
 
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May I refer to

1.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6167756&postcount=1492

2.
The central gravity measurement at Domus Vista (waiting for the report).

3.
The container measurement, phase 1. - Waiting for the report

4.
The container measurement, phase 2. - Waiting for farmers to fill the container before measurement can be done.
 
Yellow is the result if I the floor is 22 cm. (included the 2 cm wear layer) instead of 20 cm. Maybe the floor thickness only is 21 cm that too will change a lot.

Bjarne, you are being intentionally obtuse. You are talking about the thickness of the floor divisions. Interesting when trying to guesstimate the mass of the building.

I'm talking about the hight of the floors. Which is obviously not 22cm. :nope:

The hight is important because, to find the contribution of the building's gravity, you have to subtract Earth's gravity, and that varies with elevation (free air gradient). So we need the approximate elevation of each floor.

But I think you already know this; you are just desperately trying to divert the attention from the fact that my calculation demolishes your thesis.

If you do NOT understand the difference between floor (etage) elevation, and floor (gulv) thickness, YOU are the one beyond hope (but I already knew that).

Hans
 
For others, who may not have the stamina to wade through all the cow-dung:

What Bjarne is doing is that he is plotting the differential gravity floor to floor. This is not entirely silly, because his original thesis was that it would suddenly shift to an upward pull when the gravitational center of the building was passed, and that would be visible in the differential, as well.

However, as anyone can see, the collected data showed that this was not the case. So Bjarne hurriedly added the ad hoc hypothesis that when an object comes into contact with earth, its center of gravity is suddenly and magically relocated to the bottom. This is not only obviously absurd, for a number of reasons, it can also be refuted using Bjorn's own data, which is what I have done.

To find the actual gravity contribution of the building, floor by floor, the correct way is to subtract Earth's gravity, corrected for the fact that this diminishes as you move up wards (the free air gradient).

I have done this, and it shows a nice slope, where you can see that the building pulls down on the upper floors, and pulls up on the lower floors, and this effect varies gradually with elevation.

What you cannot do is determine exactly it actually crosses zero, because we do not have the baseline gravity for the building. This is the gravity at the surface, on the spot where the building stands, but without the building. That could have been measured when the foundations were laid, but the building not yet started, but that opportunity is missed for good.

Bjarne's next project is better in this regard, as they are actually obtaining a baseline, before the mass is placed. This shows you that Bjarne is actually reading and understanding the arguments put forth, and all his cow-speak, insults, and other obfuscations is really just a smoke-screen to buy time, in the vain hope that the next experiment will vindicate him.

(There IS, of course, the possibility that the new protocol is designed by the professionals he has hired, and that Bjarne's ignorant ramblings are really a measure of his mental capacity)

Hans
 
I'm talking about the hight of the floors. Which is obviously not 22cm
Whiteout knowing the thickness of the floors, you cannot konw the height.

The hight is important because, to find the contribution of the building's gravity, you have to subtract Earth's gravity, and that varies with elevation (free air gradient). So we need the approximate elevation of each floor.

No, - you MUST KNOW the exactly hight.
If the total height is only total 20 cm off you wouldn’t have any clear pattern, according to whether the buildings ADG is stable from top to bottom or increasing.

If you do NOT understand the difference between floor (etage) elevation, and floor (gulv) thickness, YOU are the one beyond hope (but I already knew that).
If you don’t know the difference between a cow and a scientist (or between a meter and a centimeter) you are beyond any hope.

What Bjarne is doing is that he is plotting the differential gravity floor to floor. This is not entirely silly, because his original thesis was that it would suddenly shift to an upward pull when the gravitational center of the building was passed, and that would be visible in the differential, as well.
A suddenly shift to an upward pull , - is true when the building is floating in space.
The fact that the Earth also contributes to encircle central space of the building is in no way a big surprise, but should be expected, after a little simple thoughtfulness, - so you have no point here either, - but can only point to the cow logic consequences, - that in fact support the basic theory, rather than opposing it.

To find the actual gravity contribution of the building, floor by floor, the correct way is to subtract Earth's gravity, corrected for the fact that this diminishes as you move up wards (the free air gradient).
And it is exactly here that the world’s most stupid cow could have done pretty much better like you.
To calculate the buildings own gravity e.g; on 15th floor you must deduct the EXCACT FAG from the measured value.

To be able to do that you MUST KNOW the exact hight on that 15th floor.
But according to Hans pretty silly opinion, - this doesn’t matter, - plus or minus 2 meter doesn’t matter according to Hans. ( we speak about deviation +/- 661 microgal ) >> Stated here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6164036&postcount=1477

I think further comments regarding this are not necessary.
Hans advice: you can only cheat the most stupid one at this forum, - and I hope you enjoy it. - So far not a single cow have been trapped by this silly cheat opinion.

I have done this, and it shows a nice slope, where you can see that the building pulls down on the upper floors, and pulls up on the lower floors, and this effect varies gradually with elevation.
A 99,9999999999 % brain damage cow will understand that if you can chose the height at pleasure, and hence the value you like to reduce from the buildings gravity, (without respecting the real height values) it must be because you are in a completely different dimension where one meter no longer is 1 meter. Or how shall we really understand you SIR ?.

What you cannot do is determine exactly it actually crosses zero, because we do not have the baseline gravity for the building. This is the gravity at the surface, on the spot where the building stands, but without the building. That could have been measured when the foundations were laid, but the building not yet started, but that opportunity is missed for good.
This is the most cow silly stupid I even have hear.

You have two columns of data:
  1. on the one side, - the measured total ADG values,
  2. and on the other side: the FAG values, (based on down to earth hight measurement), and based not free fantasy.

Now deduct the values “2” from “1” - and store these in a third column.
Now you can cow objective clear see the buildings own gravity from top to bottom.

Already by doing such cow brain damage simple calculation, you can easy see the prevailing creeds in no possible way can be truth, simply because you can in no way point to the fact that there are ANY NEGATIVE ADG values from floor 15th to ground floor. (compared to FAG)

You will doesn’t matter what you do (except cheating) ONLY be able to see that ADG never is negative. (compared to FAG)

Off course you can speculate whether the density of the underground beneath the building is.
But this is peanuts, and will anyway not change the pattern your cow logic simple calculation above proves.

Even if there is a (weak) extra +/- from the underground, still the calculated gravity “pattern” (above) is nailed.

But we shall not expect any large contribution deviation from the underground, even a heavy foundation only affects with 20 % (density difference).
And you can see a larger ADG value at 2nd floor. ( please notice this) - So the large downwards pull at 2nd (etc) floor can NOT come from the underground.

The buildings pull at the lower floors "should" according the prevailing creeds pulls upwards.
The buildings pull is DOWNWARDS at ground floor Hans (!). - ( and this is the case ON ALL FLOORS, - HANS ) (!)

What really confuse you is that the old thesis have fall.
You couldn’t believe that to happen, and you still don’t believe you own eyes.

Gulv.jpg

When I measured the floor thickness there was a little edge, I wanted to check the thickness further but forgot. – The floor could be between 20 and 22 cm.

ADGMDV.jpg

+ 1 or 2 cm. is enough to give a much different “picture”.
When the floor is 21 cm, or if there is other measurement mistake, for example that the roof at ground floor is + 30 cm higher ( I could not measure exactly because of the PVC / roof cover)

So + 30 cm give a stable ADG (also compared to the FAG)
If the difference + 60 cm (which also is possible) then we will have a accelerating ADG (not stable) .
A friend in KBH will check all this soon.

Bjarne's next project is better in this regard, as they are actually obtaining a baseline, before the mass is placed.
Off course this will be more “accurate”
But as mentioned DOMUS VISTA already give 100% of the cow society a 100%clear pattern, - enough to know that the prevailing thesis is dead.

It is like you not only are in a unknown "distance-dimension" - but also seems to expect a goldmine beneath DOMUS VISTA. - You should then go digging (!) (?)

This shows you that Bjarne is actually reading and understanding the arguments put forth, and all his cow-speak, insults, and other obfuscations is really just a smoke-screen to buy time, in the vain hope that the next experiment will vindicate him.
I think you soon will have enough stuff to you can write a book: How it is to pee against headwind.

(There IS, of course, the possibility that the new protocol is designed by the professionals he has hired, and that Bjarne's ignorant ramblings are really a measure of his mental capacity)
Shame on you.
 
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No, - you MUST KNOW the exactly hight.
If the total height is only total 20 cm off you wouldn’t have any clear pattern, according to whether the buildings ADG is stable from top to bottom or increasing.

Is that your opinion? Then please state the precise heights (elevations) for each floor in the Domus Vista, which you have been using to derive your FAG figures.

A suddenly shift to an upward pull , - is true when the building is floating in space.

You original claim was that it was always true.

The fact that the Earth also contributes to encircle central space of the building is in no way a big surprise, but should be expected, after a little simple thoughtfulness, - so you have no point here either, - but can only point to the cow logic consequences, - that in fact support the basic theory, rather than opposing it.

That is your new ad hoc thesis. As I say, it absurd because it implies that the center of gravity of an object should change position when the object is lifted from the ground. I know you don't even know what the word thermodynamics means, but I have to tell you that such a notion is thermodynamically impossible. It would also be very noticeable; I don't expect you to understand why, but among other things, it would make objects seem to 'stick' to the ground, even if there was no actual adhesion.

To calculate the buildings own gravity e.g; on 15th floor you must deduct the EXCACT FAG from the measured value.

To be able to do that you MUST KNOW the exact hight on that 15th floor.

Dear readers, notice this special tactics from a dishonest debater (I have seen it from others before): It has now dawned on Bjarne that I have been right all along (about the baseline gravity), but instead of admitting it, he pretends it is HIS argument.

Yes, Bjarne, you must know the exact FAG. However, as I have said repeatedly, you don't. You don't because the baseline gravity varies quite a bit from place to place, especially in an area like the Copenhagen area, where the ground consists of various ice age sediments. This variation can be many times the contribution from the building, so, while we can calculate a nice curve, we have no way of placing it over a zero line.

And in THAT context, the elevation of the 15th floor is of minor importance.

    1. on the one side, - the measured total ADG values,
    2. and on the other side: the FAG values, (based on down to earth hight measurement), and based not free fantasy.
Now deduct the values “2” from “1” - and store these in a third column.
Now you can cow objective clear see the buildings own gravity from top to bottom.

And where did you get your basic FAG value for the #2 column? Please state, with sufficient precision, the baseline Earth gravity on the spot where Domus Vista stands?

Off course you can speculate whether the density of the underground beneath the building is.
But this is peanuts, and will anyway not change the pattern your cow logic simple calculation above proves.

Unfortunately, you are wrong. There can be considerable local variations. This is obvious, if you care to think about it. If you calculate your own estimated density of the building, you will find that it is quite low. Much lower than water. So even a volume of ground much smaller than the building is much heavier, and small variations in the mass of that will make a big difference.

But we shall not expect any large contribution deviation from the underground, even a heavy foundation only affects with 20 % (density difference).
You are wrong, and you pulled the 20% out of your ass. You have no idea how the foundations are because you didn't bother to do any research.

However, I can tell you that the foundations will be quite heavy. There is a reason for Copenhagen's low skyline (some of our foreign friends have probably wondered why the tallest building in Copenhagen is only 30 floors): The city is standing on old marshlands, and apart from some rather brittle chalk deposits, there is no bedrock for hundreds of meters in depth. So building tall buildings requires massive foundations.

And you can see a larger ADG value at 2nd floor. ( please notice this) - So the large downwards pull at 2nd (etc) floor can NOT come from the underground.

A higher pull from the underground will have equal effect over the whole hight of the building (except for the free air gradient). It will shift the whole slope upwards or downwards.

However, I'm glad you have finally understood the problem. Your attempts of explaining it away are failing, though.

But as mentioned DOMUS VISTA already give 100% of the cow society a 100%clear pattern, - enough to know that the prevailing thesis is dead.

I'm not surprised you could convince the cows. In fact, I don't think they care much.

It is like you not only are in a unknown "distance-dimension" - but also seems to expect a goldmine beneath DOMUS VISTA. - You should then go digging (!) (?)

All it takes is a gravel deposit.

Hans
 
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