Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Paul]

The basic of reality is (mainly) a flexible 2D image inside you head

Can you justify that statement?

GR and SR seems to be the law for how (and why) that image deforms.

Explain why you think gravitation and measurement in an inertial frame of reference affect the image processing in our brains.

3D appears first after the brains have projected it to 3D.

The brain doesn't invent 3 dimensional space, it recreates it from information received.

What is inside the reality, - e.g: jaguar, cows, Jupiter, boxes, -or plenty other "variables" are not important..

Except physical objects aren't the same as variables in mathematical models, are they?

 

[Paul]

We can also both see the same house in a cinema or in a dream, but this doesn’t mean it necessarily is real

Try not to be a total idiot. A dream is not the same as a film which is not the same direct observation.

Answer the question properly, then answer the question about dimensions. Properly.

or that we know exactly what it is (except EM waves) and matter that doesn’t is real (there are no matter as such....)

Save the really poor attempts at philosophy and concentrate on the substantial.

 

[Paul]

Here is a right brain product from a right brained person (a well known musician)

That is a really, really poor attempt at an appeal to authority.

What do you think about that ?

I think you should spend more time watching the many educational offerings instead of searching out any more new-age cod philosophical poppycock.

 

[Reality Check]

Given an equation, how do you determine the n in nD for it

...gibberish...

Bjarne, Given an equation, how do you determine the n in nD for it?
(first asked

For example here is a basic law of physics, what is its dimensions?

F=ma
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[Reality Check]

The basic of reality is (mainly) a flexible 2D image inside you head, ...gibberish...

That is insanely wrong.
Human beings have a flexible 4D image of reality in their heads.
Everyone (except maybe you) sees a world that has width, length, height and time.
Everyone (except maybe you) can count up to 4 !

 

[DazzaD]

Bjarne.. you are really missing the entire point here.

You cannot put down or comment on the consequences/failures/success of dark matter, GR, SR, cosmology until you can converse on a basic mathematical level.

What you have said in few posts above, in my opinion, expose some extremely vague, wishy washy, mumbo jumbo, new age thinking which contains no science, no mathematics, no rigorous formulation of any kind (not even philosophical) and as such cannot hope to compete with existing explanations for the world around us.

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that either EVERYTHING is 2D or you are saying you pick and choose which is 2D and which is 3D without any real rhyme or reason other than to satisfy you pet theory (which I still dont understand what the point of it is to be honest).

So

Is there something about the equation itself

F=GM/r^2

that determines the dimensionality

or is it purely because you think we perceive the world in 2D that it must be 2D?

What I dont get then is, can ANYTHING be 3D or 4D in that case? Is that possible in your ideas?

 

[Bjarne]

That is insanely wrong.
Human beings have a flexible 4D image of reality in their heads.
Everyone (except maybe you) sees a world that has width, length, height and time.
Everyone (except maybe you) can count up to 4 !

You did not read the word "basic"
Now try again and include that word also.

 

[Bjarne]

Explain why you think gravitation and measurement in an inertial frame of reference affect the image processing in our brains.

SR and GR reflects laws of nature changing reality, - Reality is first at all inside you head. What is outside is also mysteries and even contradictions, - there are no outer stable foundation for any certain reality.

The brain doesn't invent 3 dimensional spaces, it recreates it from information received

So does your computer, but this doesn't mean that outer and inner realities are 100% identical.
You don't know whether that what seems to be ‘out there’ is comparable identical the same or not, with that you see at the inner monitor.
Reality it is not the same for 2 different space-time observers.
This fact emphasize that reality cannot be out there, but first at all inside your head.

Try not to be a total idiot. A dream is not the same as a film which is not the same direct observation.

A film is nothing but a herd of photons hitting your retina, the exact same happens in reality.
You do not see anything more in reality as well, this is all what you can be sure about.

Try 2 minutes of your live serious to think about that there is nothing in the universe so mysterious strange as photons, on the one hand these exist in all realities, on the other hand, seen from photons own perspective there are no time or space or distances. So on one hand the photons are real on the other they can't be.

Add to that the theory of relativity as well of quantum physic, and also the latest brain research all are telling you a completely different story about reality , than you are use to belive.

So I rather believe you live in a universe where science is only a dream and reality out there is real. Try to take science a bit more serious and swap what you probably have turned 180 degree.

Furthermore, what we today is forced to accept in science is almost the same that humans have claimed in thousands of years.
You can for exsample find the statement that reality is only dreams all over the world.

When I started my theory I never thought that it would be the theory that would push me to such strange conclusion. But the better I understand the science we all ready have, and my own theory, - the more I see that I too must be open minded for such strange thought / possibilities. I begin to understand why many scientists hav come to pretty strange conclusions, - for example Max Planck, Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr and many other .

 

[DazzaD]

I begin to understand why many scientists come to the same strange conclusion, - for example Max Planck, Albert Einstein and many other .

So what strange conclusion is it that Planck and Einstein came up with?

 

[Reality Check]

You did not read the word "basic"
Now try again and include that word also.

There you go:
That is insanely, basically wrong.
Human beings have a basic, flexible 4D image of reality in their heads.
Everyone (except maybe you) sees a world that has width, length, height and time. This is very basic.
Everyone (except maybe you) can count up to 4 ! That is even more basic.

 

[Reality Check]

SR and GR reflects laws of nature changing reality...gibberish snipped...

That is very ignorant of you Bjarne.
SR and GR are laws of physics.
Science is a description of reality. Neither GR or SR or any other scientific theory change reality. What they reflect is our changing knowledge of reality (what the universe tells us about itself).

So we started with Newtonian mechanics and gravity. They described what we knew about reality, e.g. how things acted at the low speeds available and the observed orbits of planets.
Then we found that the universe did not act according to these Newtonian laws, e.g. Mercury's orbit, etc. Reality did not change. Our knowledge of it changed. So we updated the the laws of physics to better match reality. Thus SR, GR etc.

 

[Bjarne]

So what strange conclusion is it that Planck and Einstein came up with?

That reality 'out there' is stranger that we would imagine

 

[Bjarne]

There you go:
That is insanely, basically wrong.
Human beings have a basic, flexible 4D image of reality in their heads.
Everyone (except maybe you) sees a world that has width, length, height and time. This is very basic.
Everyone (except maybe you) can count up to 4 ! That is even more basic.

Inside your head there is a 2D monitor
Time is also part of your reality, but the 3 rd dimension is "later" projected out in the outer "reality"
Also the basic Newtonian gravity law (g=GM/r^2) and the Lorentz equation seems to reflect the exactly same.
The 3rd dimension doesn’t seem to be included.

Watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvM_YAwX4I&feature=related
The introduction is good (2 first part of the video)
Whether the Holographic Universe is truth I don't know, this is not important in the context.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Not necessarily.
We can also both see the same house in a cinema or in a dream, but this doesn’t mean it necessarily is real, or that we know exactly what it is (except EM waves) and matter that doesn’t is real (there are no matter as such....)

Hello! Is it an obsession with you that you can't give a straight answer to a straight question?

I'll try again: If I see a house from the outside, and you see it from the inside, do you think we are seeing the same reality, yes or no?

No cows, no movies, no dreams, no nonsense. A house. A real house.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Inside your head there is a 2D monitor

So we can add anatomy to the subjects you are ignorant about? OK.

Bjarne, take a look in the mirror. Notice you have two eyes. Two eyes give you 3D vision. Even if you loose the use of one eye, you still have some 3D perception (because the visual cortex deduces distance from various clues). Also, you can see movement. This means that you have 4D vision.

ETA: We even have a 5th dimension in that we can distinguish light in the frequency domain (colour), although I wouldn't take that as far as calling it 5D vision.

Time is also part of your reality, but the 3 rd dimension is "later" projected out in the outer "reality"
Also the basic Newtonian gravity law (g=GM/r^2) and the Lorentz equation seems to reflect the exactly same.
The 3rd dimension doesn’t seem to be included.

It seems you are slowly loosing all connection with reality. Perhaps you should seek professional help.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

That is very ignorant of you Bjarne.
SR and GR are laws of physics.
Science is a description of reality. Neither GR or SR or any other scientific theory change reality. What they reflect is our changing knowledge of reality (what the universe tells us about itself).

So we started with Newtonian mechanics and gravity. They described what we knew about reality, e.g. how things acted at the low speeds available and the observed orbits of planets.
Then we found that the universe did not act according to these Newtonian laws, e.g. Mercury's orbit, etc. Reality did not change. Our knowledge of it changed. So we updated the the laws of physics to better match reality. Thus SR, GR etc.

Only reality in exactly this second NOW is real.
What was before and comes next do not exist.
SR and GR is the laws for how you will see and hear reality exactly in this second. - It will not be the exact same as one living at the moon, or one traveling with extreme speed.

Realize that when you was a electron and was moving very fast, your reality and how you would see your box would be very different to how I would see it (when we compare or realities).

This show that the very small reality of the electron not is the same as mine, and also that there are NO OUTER REALITY TO SHARE OR AGREE ABOUT.

Do you want the red or the blue pill ?
It is up to you

 

[MRC_Hans]

Only reality in exactly this second NOW is real.
What was before and comes next do not exist.
SR and GR is the laws for how you will see and hear reality exactly in this second. - It will not be the exact same as one living at the moon, or one traveling with extreme speed.

Realize that when you was a electron and was moving very fast, your reality and how you would see your box would be very different to how I would see it (when we compare or realities).

This show that the very small reality of the electron not is the same as mine, and also that there are NO OUTER REALITY TO SHARE OR AGREE ABOUT.

Do you want the red or the blue pill ?
It is up to you

That is almost philosophical, Bjarne. However, it is also very outdated, philosophers have already been there, and found that this viewpoint does not hold. The basic version of that philosophy is called Solipsism. Look it up.

It is true that our only connection with reality is our own perception, which is essentially always indirect. However, science is exactly to quest for understanding the actual, shared reality.

The first step in good science is not to find out what you know, but to realize what you do NOT know. I suggest you start there.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

Hello! Is it an obsession with you that you can't give a straight answer to a straight question?

I'll try again: If I see a house from the outside, and you see it from the inside, do you think we are seeing the same reality, yes or no?

No cows, no movies, no dreams, no nonsense. A house. A real house.

Hans

Let us swap the house with a sunset over the ocean, you are deeply depressed and think about suicide. I am happy and try to tell you how beautiful and ecstatic reality and the sunset is, - but you don't agree. You want to die.
Is it the same reality we see?
You love the color green I blue, you hate blue - is reality the same?
You buy a flower to your girl, she thinks it is beautiful; you really don’t care, and cannot see any beauty difference between the flower and book. – Is reality always the same?

 

[Bjarne]

That is almost philosophical, Bjarne. However, it is also very outdated, philosophers have already been there, and found that this viewpoint does not hold. The basic version of that philosophy is called Solipsism. Look it up.

It is true that our only connection with reality is our own perception, which is essentially always indirect. However, science is exactly to quest for understanding the actual, shared reality.

The first step in good science is not to find out what you know, but to realize what you do NOT know. I suggest you start there.

Hans

2 almost identical brains will produce 2 almost identical illusions of reality “out there”

Hans think about an very fast moving electron , - think about how small it is, - the electron have its completely own space-time reality.
BUT the reality "OUT THERE" DON'T CARE and is not changing, only the very very very small reality of the elctron is changing.
So there it is not necessary to share a common outer REALITY,.

What is outside becomes irrelevant, AND ALWAYS WAS SO.
The unification with an outer reality is so locked up in your mind and brain that you cannot release yourself from it

A wise man said for long ago, long before science came to existence, - do you not know that morning noon and afternoon all is inside you. Sciences seem today to tell you the same story.

Until recently I believed that the basic nature of gravity could be mathematical understood as a 3D "classic reality", But I am "forced" to give up such idea. - The math we have tells a different story.
I too is surprised, But I can easy accept it, it no problem.
A very dominate left brain will have huge problem to accept this and always chose the blue pill.

Try the red pill.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Let us swap the house with a sunset over the ocean, you are deeply depressed and think about suicide. I am happy and try to tell you how beautiful and ecstatic reality and the sunset is, - but you don't agree. You want to die.
Is it the same reality we see?
You love the color green I blue, you hate blue - is reality the same?
You buy a flower to your girl, she thinks it is beautiful; you really don’t care, and cannot see any beauty difference between the flower and book. – Is reality always the same?

No, let us not swap the house with anything. A house. A real house. I'm outside, you are inside. Are we seeing the same house, same reality? Yes or no?

Hans