Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

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MRC_Hans said:
OK, I think I understand what Bjarne is trying to claim. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, it is wrong.

Let us say the sun would suddenly vanish.
So for some 8 minutes, we would notice nothing on Earth, then the sun would wink out, and a gravity wave would hit us.
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Right

How exactly we would sense that gravity wave, I'm not sure,
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This is a BIG problem, without imagination... no understanding, - all the brian can understand is “pictures” (imagination).
Also even though these picture are numbers.

but after it had passed, Earth would no longer 'feel' the gravity of the sun, so it would proceed at a straight line into space, (snipped).
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No this is wrong, the problem is that;
  • You don’t know really what a gravitional wave is
  • You can also not imaging what really happen when it is passing you.
  • Now try that, try to imagine what really would happen when a gravitional wave comes your way.For example that from the Sun
  • Try to imagine;
  • how heigh would it be ?
  • how width ?
  • how long ?
  • how long time would it hit you before it is gone ?
  • What would i be made of ?
  • try to put some word on it, how would i be , just something, - come on Hans ?

Now remember the “gravity-funnel” - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoaOHvy5AcA
And remember that even a grain of sand affect the whole Universe, - the Sun too.
Now ask you self WHERE would the deformation-release be in that moment a gravitional wave is passing you?
If you answer “it do not exist anymore” why should “THE GRAVITIONAL WAVE then continue to Jupiter”

Ask you self how would a gravity wave on the move really affect you, and how can you KNOW the prevailing speculation reflecs reality?

Hans, a gravity wave is not similar to a ownerless cow in the night.

You must see it like this:
  1. Space is stretching towards the Sun the whole way from infinity and towards the Sun.
  2. So soon that stretch is released it happens from its starting point and this is from the Sun.
  3. When space-stretch between the Sun and the Earth (the first 8 minuttes) is released ONLY that "amount of space-deformation" is released.
  4. But space between the Earth and Jupiter is ALSO stretching the WHOLE way towards the Sun, - that space its first be released from “its stretch” – after the “gravity wave” have passed the Earth - the following 20 minutes after leaving you..

The mathematical point is as just mentioned ; the space between the Earth and Jupiter is still stretching towards the Sun.

So even though the Sun is gone, we would still feel gravity towards the Sun, SO LONG THE GRAVITIONAL WAVES TRAVELS. – WHICH MEAN FOR EVER. But off course decreasing.

Allow me to be extreme, - imaging that the Sun would disolve only a fragment of a second, a gravity wave would only have time to travel 1 meter. –
You was at that day living at the “surface” of the Sun.

Would you really in that split-second not fell any gravity of the Sun, - just because the gravity wave of the Sun had past you ?

Do you belive you can sell such load, - to intelligent cows ?

Think twice Hans

Always remember: imagination Hans.
I mean if you really want to understand something.
If you only want concrete bal blab la, you don’t need imagination.

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”
Albert Einstein.
 
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Bjarne said:
... all the brian can understand is “pictures” (imagination).
Also even though these picture are numbers.

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In your head they would be pictures, yes.

Blue numbers, yellow numbers, green numbers, red numbers .... all kinds of numbers.

2 OOOh wow a green number.

9 Yippieeee a red number nine.

There's your mathematics, Bjarne. All sooo preeeetty colored numbers ...in your head ... oooh wow a blue 5.

You must be going insane by now ....
 
Gravitational Waves

Let me put in other words

I think we all agree that a gravitational wave hitting us from a distance 10 billion Light years away, would not be as powerful as the one hitting us when the Sun dissolves.
So we can (hopefully) easy conclude that the gravitionel wave is losing strength on its path.
Understand this is one small step forward.

The next to understand is that the deformation (the funnel) towards to where the Sun / Star once were will only gradually be released / neutralize / flattening, - but it can never completely disappear, if space have no limit / is infinite .
 
Wait a minute, if gravitation effects space itself in a resilient manner there would be a huge through following our solar system through space.
And nobody noticed?
 
Bjarne said:
This is a BIG problem, without imagination... no understanding, - all the brian can understand is “pictures” (imagination).
Also even though these picture are numbers.
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It is not a BIG problem - it is an extemely SMALL problem.
Gravitational waves are extremely weak.
 
Bjarne said:
I have found the right found you could not after asking you plenty times.
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What does this gibberish mean?

You have never posted anything that is 'right' except links to science articles. All of your work is wrong.

As for your fantasy of RR, the modified version you posted was
and this is obviously wrong.

You have not posted any other version of your debunked RR fantasy since then.
 
Toke said:
Wait a minute, if gravitation effects space itself in a resilient manner there would be a huge through following our solar system through space.
And nobody noticed?
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So called dark energy is a gravitational wave.
But let us now call things what they are, and not using confused dark expressions.

Cosmological redshift; ONLY reveals that time and distance from time to time are different.
NOTHING more as that.

A gravity Wave shall in your imagination NOT look like a wave on the Ocean this will give you a completely wrong picture.

Because gravity is; - a depression stretching into the space density.
So soon as a so-called gravitational “wave” is release of that stretch; - it is release from such depression.
It take long time (billion of years) to release streching space in such space depression.
Even if only a grain of sand would dissolve it's energy, - it would take billion of years to flatten the Universe where it once was.

Stop making things more differecult as they are. Cows would NEVER do so.

You must imaging that inside that depression there is a space-vacuum (absorbed space) - This most "move back" ... "stretch back" to; the edge of space / the edge of Universe / Infinity.
Most of the "space-vacuum" ("space-stretch") belong to the "local -area" around the object, and will released locally, - and gradually less and less to the "periphery" - the edge of the space. (Infinity)

So some of the space-vacuum (absorbed space) must travel billion of Light Years back to where it comes from.
  • THIS is a gravitational wave.
  • THIS is what deformation of space is about
  • THIS is what dark energy is about.

Left in your imagination should now a bee picture of a; "deep a funnel" - that gradually during billion of years is flattening. - there are NO WAVE
And this mean that gravity will still be there..... towards the Sun, towards the centre of a Universe, and towards a grain of sand, - billion of years after the objetcs are gone.

So simple is that.
 
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The Timeless Plane

More Advanced Gibber Science

All energy (non particles) travels in the timeless plane (dimension).

Energy such as light cannot travel slower than the local speed of light.

Anything physical attempting to get to the speed of light, runs into the paradox of increasing mass.

Time is a property of space. Without matter we usually can't tell how fast time is running in space.

Light IS affected by gravity, but because it travels in the timeless plane, it IS NOT affected by time.

Time and Gravity are related, but they are NOT the same.

When gravity drops, time flow increases.

Time flow CAN EXCEED ONE.

The square of the distance law DOES predict gravitational strength correctly.

Why doesn't it predict the galactic velocity rotation curves correctly?

Because you primates assume that time can't go faster than 1.

If the gravity is correct but the time flow is 3, then you are experiencing 3 times as much attraction, DUH!

A mass takes on the inertial (or time effects), of the space it is embedded within. Why? it just does.

The only "Dark Matter" is in your delusional primate skulls. The "MOND" people at least had a clue.
 
Bjarne,
Your explanation of gravity does not make sense.
And this mean that gravity will still be there..... towards the Sun, towards the centre of a Universe, and towards a grain of sand, - billion of years after the objetcs are gone.
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With your "model" a laboratory with a gravity meter would not be able to measure if the snow on the roof had been removed or not.
And there is still the issue of the solar system moving through space with no noticeable gravitational residue left behind.
 
Toke said:
Bjarne,
Your explanation of gravity does not make sense.

With your "model" a laboratory with a gravity meter would not be able to measure if the snow on the roof had been removed or not.
And there is still the issue of the solar system moving through space with no noticeable gravitational residue left behind.
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Gravity of galaxies is "measured" by the speed.

We know that the Universe is losing gravity, because cluster of galaxies cannot hold so good together as before.

Some scientist suggest Gravity disappear to unknown dimension

I suggest that the process is naturally; - extreme gravity is left by a previously Universe, - it takes billion of years to lose that gravity (to flatten space) left by a previous Universe.
 
You are still not making sense.
If I rest my coffee cup on top of a gravity meter and then remove it again there will not be any residual change in gravity.
Your "model" say there should.

You are wrong.
 
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