Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Reality Check]

...ignored idiotic cow fetesh stuff...


For examples these questions;

1. We know that energy cannot disappear, it MUST be converted to a different kind of energy; - So how can photon energy disappear? (Cosmological redshift) - what happens to the energy that within the prevailing framework must be lost ?
2. We have never really measured that distances really are expending, due to the so-called; - Expanding Universe (for example between the Moon/Earth/ Sun) why not?

...
Left is only to say mmuuuuhh muuuhhh mmu mmmmuhh muuh mmoo muu .

This mean; it is so simple. (But unfortunately no more business for the entertainment industry to do, and this is properly the biggest problem.)

Yes left to say is: mmuuuuhh muuuhhh mmu mmmmuhh muuh mmoo muu.
You are merely displaying your ignorance yet again


For example, these answers which have been told to you again and again but you have been totally unable to understand:

1. If energy is conserved then the energy photons lose in cosmological redshift is converted into gravitational energy.
   But the question of energy conservation in General Relativity is complex. Energy is conserved locally but there is no guarantee of this globally. Thus having energy just vanish is a possibility.
2. A liitle thing called gravity (which you have obviously never heard of ) dominates on small scales such as between the Moon, Earth and Sun. Thus you cannot measure the expansion of the universe until you get to distances of megaparsecs (basically outside of the Local Group).
   Gravity dominates so much that some of the nearby galaxies are blue-shifted.
   Gravity dominates so much that the Andromeda Galaxy is going to hit us in a couple of billion years.
   Gravity dominates so must that it takes a absolutely ignorant person to not know that measuring the expansion of the universe locally is impossible.

So to The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked)
with the eternal display of ignorance of basic science from you:

Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
First asked 23 October 2009
So far the answer is no !
Two years, 8 months and counting!
​

we have to add:

• Cannot understand that photon energy in cosmological redshift converts to gravitational energy (if energy is globally conserved in GR).
• Cannot understand that gravity dominates locally and so it is impossible to measure the expansion of the universe on scales such as the Solar System (or galaxy or even within the Local Group).

 

[Reality Check]

And it gets worse. We have no idea why the so called alleged expanding Universe “should” be accelerating (“so called; “Dark Energy”.)

You are showing signs of total ignorance in that statement:

1. The acceleration of the expansion of the universe is an obervarion. Saying that it is 'alledged' is nore idiotic than your cow fetish.
2. The cause of that acceleration is in fact called dark energy.
   That is its name.
   Live with it - I am sure that even your cows can understand that the name of something is its name.
3. There are plenty of ideas about the nature of dark energy. Dark energy can be explained by a positive cosmological constant or Quintessence or something more exotic.

...Gibberish snipped...
Now add to the sick expanding universe idea, that we also not any have knowledge of; the cause of gravity, and also not about the cause of; so called Dark Matter.
[/q1uote]

More total ignorance:

1. The cause of gravity according to GR is the curvature of spacetime. That in turn is caused by mass and energy.
2. Dark matter is called dark matter.
3. We have plenty of ideas of what dark energy is.

If we allow us self (just for few minutes) to keep all the so-called “properties” of space, (dark energy, dark matter and the cause of gravity)

Wrong again: The properties of spacetime are basiically described by its metric. Dark energy may be one of the properties of spacetime (a cosmological constant).
In the Einstein field equations, everything on the left hand side describes the space-time, everything on the right hand side describes mass & energy.

The Einstein field equations (EFE) may be written in the form:[1]

where

is the Ricci curvature tensor,

the scalar curvature,

the metric tensor,

is the cosmological constant,

is Newton's gravitational constant,

the speed of light, and

the stress-energy tensor.

Gravity is a consequence of the curvature of space time.
Dark matter is just matter that is dark.

The only “problem” left is that at the time BigBang went of, - gravity must have been huge. Science is in fact already able to answer how that was possible; - the answer is; huge speed of matter just before BigBang.

You get something right at last jaw-dropp): The strength of gravity just after the Big Bang was comparable to the other forces. This is the Planck epoch where it is thought that there was no distinction between the forces.
Strictly speaking it was the huge temperature of the universe but your 'huge speed of matter' is close enough for you.

 

[Bjarne]

For example, these answers which have been told to you again and again but you have been totally unable to understand:

1. If energy is conserved then the energy photons lose in cosmological redshift is converted into gravitational energy.
   But the question of energy conservation in General Relativity is complex. Energy is conserved locally but there is no guarantee of this globally. Thus having energy just vanish is a possibility.

1. 
   
   What a load of rubbish
   How can you convert photon frequencies to gravity?
   What in hell are you imaging?
   Do you believe that gravity just wups , slowly appears up in the big blue each time a photon travels through?
   Come on RC, - who will buy such load, do you believe?
   Where is your evidence for such nonsense?
   Do you really self believe in such a load of stinking rubbish.
   
   

   A liitle thing called gravity (which you have obviously never heard of ) dominates on small scales such as between the Moon, Earth and Sun. Thus you cannot measure the expansion of the universe until you get to distances of megaparsecs (basically outside of the Local Group).

   
   More rubbish
   You are only guessing.
   Again no evidence at all; - that gravity “should” counteract on small scales.
   RC do you self a favor, admit that the foundation of “our” (not my) picture of the universe, is so naive as it possible can be, - there are no other deforming properties of space (other as knows by General Relativity) (GR).
   All you in fact do have are; Two major areas that objective prove that the expanding universe idea in deed is conflicting with objective science.
   
   You and a whole world have chosen to close your eyes (and dream your self, far.. far.... far away) from for the facts that the expanding Universe idea is disproven by science itself, - (or rather it should not have been looooongg ago).
   It is even not a thesis, simple because the idea should have been shut down even before it was airborne.
   
   The naive idea that the expanding universe also “should” be accelerating is nothing but escalation of the fact that we failed to understand the true nature of the flexible property of space, in the first place, and hence also a man made mystery. It doesn’t happen; - it is also only an illusion, as well.
   This is the third place where that expanding universe idea, - is conflicting with certain well grounded science.
   
   General Relativity can comprehend;
   • the true nature of gravity
   • the cause of BigBang
   • the fact that BigChunch happens
   • what a gravity wave really is
   • what curved space really is
   • what so called misunderstood dark energy really is
   • what so called misunderstood dark matter really is
   Space is flexible, and that’s enough. This is what GR really tells us, - but so far only cows have really understood.
   
   Human have several difficulties to even imaging, - even so called "curved space" and what this really is, - this is where trouble started.
   Cows can much easy imaging the space property (not properties since these do not exist) , because cows always tries to see it all holistic / coherent with everything else, (this is simply how a cow brain works) .
   Cows do have very good right brain half.
   We don’t need thousand of naïve silly idea factories here on the planet, but only few cows at each University.
   
   GR (+SR) is enough.

 

[Paul]

What a load of rubbish

I see you've spent your time away formulating a stinging retort.

How can you convert photon frequencies to gravity?

The problem with only thinking you are clever isthat you look like an idiot most of the time:

If energy is conserved then the energy photons lose in cosmological redshift is converted into gravitational energy.

You and a whole world have chosen to close your eyes for the facts that the expanding Universe idea is disproven by science itself

Please post any evidence you have for this.

And I don't mean you should just rant on about relativity.

It is even not a thesis, simple because the idea should have been shut down even before it was airborne.

It was, and then people discovered they were wrong.

Try this, it's a very basic explanation from NASA:

The Big Bang model was a natural outcome of Einstein's General Relativity as applied to a homogeneous universe. However, in 1917, the idea that the universe was expanding was thought to be absurd. So Einstein invented the cosmological constant as a term in his General Relativity theory that allowed for a static universe. In 1929, Edwin Hubble announced that his observations of galaxies outside our own Milky Way showed that they were systematically moving away from us with a speed that was proportional to their distance from us. The more distant the galaxy, the faster it was receding from us. The universe was expanding after all, just as General Relativity originally predicted! Hubble observed that the light from a given galaxy was shifted further toward the red end of the light spectrum the further that galaxy was from our galaxy.

The specific form of Hubble's expansion law is important: the speed of recession is proportional to distance. Hubble expressed this idea in an equation - distance/time per megaparcec. A megaparcec is a really big distance (3.26 million light-years). The expanding raisin bread model at left illustrates why this proportion law is important. If every portion of the bread expands by the same amount in a given interval of time, then the raisins would recede from each other with exactly a Hubble type expansion law. In a given time interval, a nearby raisin would move relatively little, but a distant raisin would move relatively farther - and the same behavior would be seen from any raisin in the loaf. In other words, the Hubble law is just what one would expect for a homogeneous expanding universe, as predicted by the Big Bang theory. Moreover no raisin, or galaxy, occupies a special place in this universe - unless you get too close to the edge of the loaf where the analogy breaks down.
The current WMAP results show the Hubble Constant to be 71.0 ± 2.5 (km/sec)/Mpc. If the WMAP data is combined with other cosmological data, the best estimate is 70.4 ± 1.4 (km/sec)/Mpc.

General Relativity can comprehend;

Apparently you can't comprehend General Relativity.

This is what GR really tells us, -

What GR tells us is that gravity is a property of spacetime.

One of you problems is that you cannot even grasp the concept that there might be spacetime.

Human have several difficulties to even imaging so called "curved space" and this is where trouble started.

As if by magic, you provide a perfect example of the problem; it's not space that's curved.

Cows can much easy imaging the space property

Because although they are smarter than you, cows are very, very stupid.

 

[Bjarne]

Please post any evidence you have for this.

The distance between the Earth / Moon / Sun is not expanding due to the so called misunderstood expanding Universe concept.

The expansions that do not exist do also not accelerate. This idea is against observation, and therefore disproven. If that was the case we would be able to objective measure it, - we are NOT.

Nothing proves gravity counteracts bla bla bla bla.

Nothing proves that photon energy are converted to gravity bla bla bla bla.

Hence the whole concept is simply disproven.

Unbelievable, a world of dreamers keeps clinging to such unscientific and unsupported load of rubbish fantasy...

 

[Complexity]

bjarne - What evidence do you have that cows understand anything?

Also, do you think that you are a cow?

 

[Paul]

The distance between the Earth / Moon / Sun is not expanding due to the so called misunderstood expanding Universe concept....

I could have sworn I asked you to post evidence, not rant on like a complete fool.

The expansions that do not exist do also not accelerate.

Did you read the quote?

This idea is against observation, and therefore disproven.

Obviously not, you just thought you'd lie and BS your way out of it.

If that was the case we would be able to objective measure it, - we are NOT.

Mr Lorenzen, meet Mr Hubble.

Hence the whole concept is simply disproven.

Nothing proves you have any understanding of science, hence...

 

[Reality Check]

What a load of rubbish
How can you convert photon frequencies to gravity?

What a load of ignorance and delusion: Energy is converted. The energy of photons to gravitational energy.

More rubbish
You are only guessing.

More ignoirance and delaiusions.
I am not 'guessing'. This is what the laws of physics say., This is what scientists state when they apply the laws of physics to the real universe.

General Relativity can comprehend;

• the true nature of gravity
• the cause of BigBang
• the fact that BigChunch happens
• what a gravity wave really is
• what curved space really is
• what so called misunderstood dark energy really is
• what so called misunderstood dark matter really is

And yet more ignorance. Anyone who can read can see that

• General Relativity can comprehend the "true" nature of gravity - a consequence of the curvature of space-time.
• General Relativity has nothing to do with the cause of Big Bang.
• Observations tell us that a Big Crunch is unlikely (the universe is flat to ~1%).
• General Relativity can comprehend what a gravity wave really is.
• General Relativity can comprehend what curved space really is.
• General Relativity can comprehend what dark energy may be.
• General Relativity has nothing to do with dark matter (it is used in one method to detect dark matter)

Human have several difficulties to even imaging, - even so called "curved space" and what this really is, - this is where trouble started.
...snipped more cow fetish insane ranting....

No - this is where your problem starts: you have the same ignorance that your cows have about GR.
Humans have a precise definition of curved space-time. That definition has certain consequences that match up with the the real universe.

That curved space-time is "flexible" is trivial.
That gravity cannot come from expanding or contracting space-time is trivial:
The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked)

"Bended space is Contracted Space"
Curved space is not contracted space
First Posted 11 November 2009
​

• Cannot understand that photon energy in cosmological redshift converts to gravitational energy (if energy is globally conserved in GR).
• Cannot understand that gravity dominates locally and so it is impossible to measure the expansion of the universe on scales such as the Solar System (or galaxy or even within the Local Group).

Originally Posted by Bjarne
...ignored idiotic cow fetesh stuff...


For examples these questions;

1. We know that energy cannot disappear, it MUST be converted to a different kind of energy; - So how can photon energy disappear? (Cosmological redshift) - what happens to the energy that within the prevailing framework must be lost ?
2. We have never really measured that distances really are expending, due to the so-called; - Expanding Universe (for example between the Moon/Earth/ Sun) why not?

...
Left is only to say mmuuuuhh muuuhhh mmu mmmmuhh muuh mmoo muu .

This mean; it is so simple. (But unfortunately no more business for the entertainment industry to do, and this is properly the biggest problem.)

Yes left to say is: mmuuuuhh muuuhhh mmu mmmmuhh muuh mmoo muu.
You are merely displaying your ignorance yet again


For example, these answers which have been told to you again and again but you have been totally unable to understand:

1. If energy is conserved then the energy photons lose in cosmological redshift is converted into gravitational energy.
   But the question of energy conservation in General Relativity is complex. Energy is conserved locally but there is no guarantee of this globally. Thus having energy just vanish is a possibility.
2. A liitle thing called gravity (which you have obviously never heard of ) dominates on small scales such as between the Moon, Earth and Sun. Thus you cannot measure the expansion of the universe until you get to distances of megaparsecs (basically outside of the Local Group).
   Gravity dominates so much that some of the nearby galaxies are blue-shifted.
   Gravity dominates so much that the Andromeda Galaxy is going to hit us in a couple of billion years.
   Gravity dominates so must that it takes a absolutely ignorant person to not know that measuring the expansion of the universe locally is impossible.

So to The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked)
with the eternal display of ignorance of basic science from you:

Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
First asked 23 October 2009
So far the answer is no !
Two years, 8 months and counting!
​

we have to add:

• Cannot understand that photon energy in cosmological redshift converts to gravitational energy (if energy is globally conserved in GR).
• Cannot understand that gravity dominates locally and so it is impossible to measure the expansion of the universe on scales such as the Solar System (or galaxy or even within the Local Group).

 

[Reality Check]

Why doesn't the Solar System expand if the whole Universe is expanding - Answered

Nothing proves gravity counteracts bla bla bla bla.

The laws of physics proves gravity counteracts bla bla bla bla.

Nothing proves that photon energy are converted to gravity bla bla bla bla.

Laws of physics proves that photon energy are converted to gravity bla bla bla bla.

Hence the whole of your ignorance is simply proven.

Why doesn't the Solar System expand if the whole Universe is expanding?

This question is best answered in the coordinate system where the galaxies change their positions. The galaxies are receding from us because they started out receding from us, and the force of gravity just causes an acceleration that causes them to slow down, or speed up in the case of an accelerating expansion. Planets are going around the Sun in fixed size orbits because they are bound to the Sun. Everything is just moving under the influence of Newton's laws (with very slight modifications due to relativity). [Illustration] For the technically minded, Cooperstock et al. computes that the influence of the cosmological expansion on the Earth's orbit around the Sun amounts to a growth by only one part in a septillion over the age of the Solar System. This effect is caused by the cosmological background density within the Solar System going down as the Universe expands, which may or may not happen depending on the nature of the dark matter. The mass loss of the Sun due to its luminosity and the Solar wind leads to a much larger [but still tiny] growth of the Earth's orbit which has nothing to do with the expansion of the Universe. Even on the much larger (million light year) scale of clusters of galaxies, the effect of the expansion of the Universe is 10 million times smaller than the gravitational binding of the cluster.

The influence of the cosmological expansion on local systems

Following renewed interest, the problem of whether the cosmological expansion affects the dynamics of local systems is reconsidered. The cosmological correction to the equations of motion in the locally inertial Fermi normal frame (the relevant frame for astronomical observations) is computed. The evolution equations for the cosmological perturbation of the two--body problem are solved in this frame. The effect on the orbit is insignificant as are the effects on the galactic and galactic--cluster scales.

If the universe is expanding, does that mean atoms are getting bigger? Is the Solar System expanding?

 

[Bjarne]

What a load of ignorance and delusion: Energy is converted. The energy of photons to gravitational energy.

Nothing but bla bla.
No evidence at all.

More ignoirance and delaiusions.
I am not 'guessing'. This is what the laws of physics say., This is what scientists state when they apply the laws of physics to the real universe.

Nothing but warm air.

General Relativity can comprehend what a gravity wave really is.

The truth is ; that in reality you have no idea at all what it is and what it does.
You can in no way explain it so that your grandmother can understand what your are talking about, and it will only get worse when you also tries to tell here what so called "curved space" really is.
So long you cannot do that, not only you grandmother will belive you are a fool, - but honestly you do not know what you are talking about, unless you also would lie for your self.

General Relativity can comprehend what curved space really is.

Curved space is only an almost completely empty expression.
It do not make it possible to imagine or understand what space really does and is.
For example tell us what have curved space with mass attraction to do.
How does mass attraction work?
How can matter possible interact with space and "bend" it.
And plenty more such question would only reveal that you are lost in darkness regarding such questions.

General Relativity can comprehend what dark energy may be.

You have no idea at all.
Dark energy is according to your own creeds a different property as curved space.
Hence according to your own creeds GR cannot comprehend what so called dark energy really is.
It is according to you own religion two completely different properties.
How can you do pretend you (now) know these "properties" are connected, and can be comprehended by GR ?

General Relativity has nothing to do with dark matter (it is used in one method to detect dark matter)

Dark Matter has a lot to do with GR.
Dark Matter (whatever it is also in your world) - "curves" (deforms) space, - as well as a stupid cow do the same.

No - this is where your problem starts: you have the same ignorance that your cows have about GR.
Humans have a precise definition of curved space-time.
That definition has certain consequences that match up with the real universe.

Crap, you cannot even in a simple language describe what space really does when it – so called “curves”.
You have no idea at all what is beyond that expression.
It is in your reality a dead end, - impossible to “adapt” with anything else, so long you only allow such single tracked derailed narrow-minded concrete expression / imagination to explain /understand what space really does (and not does).

Everything MUST be connected with everything else, - in your reality your are left in completely darkness.
So all you truly have is almost nothing, but well... except a mathematical / geometric understanding that; space does have some kind of property where even words and expression are too poor, and reality beyond even our imagination. You are in fact almost left in almost 100% darkness. .

If energy is conserved then the energy photons lose in cosmological redshift is converted into gravitational energy.
But the question of energy conservation in General Relativity is complex. Energy is conserved locally but there is no guarantee of this globally. Thus having energy just vanish is a possibility.

This is not science, but only Blap blap blap…..
No evidence.
No ground connection.
Nothing... but pure unsupported fantasy.

A liitle thing called gravity (which you have obviously never heard of ) dominates on small scales such as between the Moon, Earth and Sun. Thus you cannot measure the expansion of the universe until you get to distances of megaparsecs (basically outside of the Local Group).

Only one more load of desperate creeds, - and hence only one more scorn against the objective scientific methods.

You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother Albert Einstein

So true as it is written
The expanding Universe Idea is conflicting with ground connected science on 2 major areas; - all you have to refuse that fact is; invented creeds.
This is the truth.

 

[Daylightstar]

Bjarne, we have this outstanding issue:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7236431&postcount=3972

5.6 * 60³ = 1,209,600 ...
Could you walk us through your calculation and explain what the numbers mean?

5.6 * 603 = 1,209,600 ...
Could you walk us through your calculation and explain what the numbers mean?

Thank you.

 

[Paul]

And while you're doing that, could you stop the hit and run stupid show; you're behaving like a 6 year old who found the definition of troll and thought it would be fun to play.

 

[Paul]

You can in no way explain it so that your grandmother can understand what your are talking about, and it will only get worse when you also tries to tell here what so called "curved space" really is.

Because, as you ably demonstrate by omission, it is a complex subject which requires interest, application and some measure of capability.

It do not make it possible to imagine or understand what space really does and is.

Other people posses the ability to process difficult ideas without taking every word or analogy literally.

For example tell us what have curved space with mass attraction to do...

The fact that this has all been answered more than adequately on several occasions by more than one poster shows that you refuse to learn about the subject.

Crap, you cannot even in a simple language describe what space really does when it – so called “curves”.

Why do you keep insisting that difficult physics be dumbed down to your level?

 

[Complexity]

Why do you keep insisting that difficult physics be dumbed down to your level?

I think there's a reason why he insists that everything be expressed in terms that a cow could understand.

 

[Reality Check]

Nothing but bla bla.
No evidence at all.

How dumb - the observation that energy is conserved (locally) is evidence.

Nothing but warm air.

Nothing but your ignorance and inability to read.
Is Energy Conserved in General Relativity?
or
Is energy conserved in an expanding universe?
One more time for the simple minded: it depends

• if energy is conserved globally then the energy lost by cosmologically red-shifted photons goes into the gravitational field.
• if energy is not conserved globally then there is no problem - - the photons just lose energy!.

The truth is ; that in reality you have no idea at all what it is and what it does.

The truth is that you are projecting your ignorance onto everyone else in the world.
GR describes exactly what a gravitational wave is.

Curved space is only an almost completely empty expression.

More of your ignorance. Curved space-time has an exact definton that produces predications that have been tested and found to be correct.
Tests of general relativity

It do not make it possible to imagine or understand what space really does and is.

It does make it possible to understand what space really does and is. Space-time acts exactly like curved space-time.
Who cares what you imagine space-time to be? That is just your personal fantasy. What matters is that we have a sceintific theory (General Relativity) that works: Tests of general relativity.

It For example tell us what have curved space with mass attraction to do.

How idiotic.
Gravity is a consequence of curved space-time. Gravity is teh attraction between masses.

Dark energy is according to your own creeds a different property as curved space.
Hence according to your own creeds GR cannot comprehend what so called dark energy really is.

More ignorance: Dark energy is possibly a positive cosmological constant. The cosmological constant is part of GR !

Dark Matter has a lot to do with GR.
Dark Matter (whatever it is also in your world) - "curves" (deforms) space

At last you get something sort of right!
We can detect dark matter through its effects on light as predeicted by GR. So it does have 'something' to do with GR.
It is part of GR in the sense that it appears in the stress-energy tensor.

Crap, you cannot even in a simple language describe what space really does when it – so called “curves”.

Crap - your continuous demands for a simple explanation of a complex part of science is insane.
What space-time really does when it curves is make objects follow paths that are curved. Objects that follow curved paths have a Newtonian force acting on them. We call this force gravity.

So all you truly have is almost nothing, but well... except a mathematical / geometric understanding that; space does have some kind of property where even words and expression are too poor, and reality beyond even our imagination. You are in fact almost left in almost 100% darkness. .

Your abysmal ignorance of GR and lack of willing to learn about it makes you totally blind to it and the experimental verification of GR: Tests of general relativity.

Only one more load of desperate creeds, - and hence only one more scorn against the objective scientific methods.

Still displaying your ignorance: The objective scientific method is

1. We do not measure an expanding universe locally (within the Local Group).
2. The reason that we do not is that gravity dominates, e.g. it dominates so much that the Andromeda Galaxy is blue-shifted (not red-shifted) and will collide with us in a couple of billion years.

Why doesn't the Solar System expand if the whole Universe is expanding - Answered

The inability to read may be another thing to add to:
The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads

(original full list to which more points have been linked)
with the eternal display of ignorance of basic science from you:

Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
First asked 23 October 2009
So far the answer is no !
Two years, 9 months and counting!
​

we have to add:

• Cannot understand that photon energy in cosmological redshift converts to gravitational energy (if energy is globally conserved in GR).
• Cannot understand that gravity dominates locally and so it is impossible to measure the expansion of the universe on scales such as the Solar System (or galaxy or even within the Local Group).

 

[MRC_Hans]

Just wanted to pick out this (since the rest is largely word salad):

You can in no way explain it so that your grandmother can understand what your are talking about, and it will only get worse when you also tries to tell here what so called "curved space" really is.

Where did you get the idea that to be valid, something must be explainable to your grandmother? Can you explain to your grandmother how a computer functions? Or even a car? Does this mean that cars and computers are just hot air?

In physics there are lots of things that are very difficult to understand and explain to anybody but highly accomplished scientists. The universe does not depend on our ability to understand it.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

Just wanted to pick out this (since the rest is largely word salad):
Where did you get the idea that to be valid, something must be explainable to your grandmother?

You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother
Albert Einstein

Can you explain to your grandmother how a computer functions?
Hans

Yes 1 / 0
A cow can understand that the many possible different combinations, - is as a language.
My grandmother too.

Put it this way; - imaging you always would refuse to even try to understand how the motherboard, CPU, power supply, hard disk, RAM - is connected with each other, you would have some great problems, and several mysteries to crack.
It is almost the same kind of problem we today have to understand how the universe - space connects with everything.
Advise; start to understand the motherboard of the Universe (space) - and how this possible can connects with EVERYTHING.
Then you and you grandmother certianly is on the correct track....

Or even a car?

Ohh yaah man
Gasoline + ignition causes pressure that can push a car.

In physics there are lots of things that are very difficult to understand and explain to anybody but highly accomplished scientists. The universe does not depend on our ability to understand it.

Then stop to limit your understanding to such single tracked narrow minded expressions / “understanding” such as “curved space” or “gravity waves”, - and pretend you exactly know what you are talking about, - so long you not have any idea of how these almost empty expressions possible can be connected with everything else.

So long you cannot adapt GR or a gravity-wave or dark energy or dark matter to everything else the above mentioned “space-expressions” are almost empty expressions that only can satisfied people happy with incoherent understanding of how these possible can be connected with anything else.

For example how does matter possible affect space, - or what REALLY happens to space when it is subject to “curve” – “expand” – magnetism etc. ?

The fact is that you have no idea at all how these properties REALLY are.
The fact is that you are satisfied to see it from the perspective of an ant.
And this is what I think is a shame.
At least you should allow you the possibility to see it from a bird perspective.

The universe does not depend on our ability to understand it.

Off course not, the Universe probably doesn’t care about you, but so long the overall perspective only is possible from the ant-perspective, - it is easy for especially cows to understand that so-called gravity and space mysteries, such as dark energy and dark matter, - are not real mysteries but only mysteries we self have created, - simply by failing to at least to swift on the right brian half .
The fact is that you have no idea at all how these properties REALLY are, - the fact is also that you are satisfied to see it from the perspective of an ant.
At least you should allow you the possibility to see it from a bird perspective.

The universe does not depend on our ability to understand it.

Off course not, the Universe probably doesn’t care about you, but so long the overall perspective only is possible from the ant-perspective, - it is easy for especially cows to understand that so-called gravity and space mysteries, such as dark energy and dark matter, - are not real mysteries but only mysteries we self have created, - simply by failing to at least to swift on the right brian half.

The property of space is much much much simpler as you believe, - it is flexible, and that explain "all" the so-called (man-invented) properties, - such as curved space, gravity waves, dark energy ...
No new knowledge is necessary it is so obviously just in front of you own eyes.

 

[Complexity]

Is your grandmother smarter than a cow?

 

[Daylightstar]

Bjarne, we have this outstanding issue:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php...postcount=3972

5.6 * 60³ = 1,209,600 ...
Could you walk us through your calculation and explain what the numbers mean?

5.6 * 60³ = 1,209,600 ...
Could you walk us through your calculation and explain what the numbers mean?

Thank you.

 

[Paul]

Yes 1 / 0...
...Gasoline + ignition causes pressure that can push a car.

Proving that you are wrong in both instances.

For example how does matter possible affect space, - or what REALLY happens to space when it is subject to “curve” – “expand” – magnetism etc. ?

Other people aren't as concrete headed as you.

The fact is that you have no idea at all how these properties REALLY are.

Well then, pretend we are your Grandmother and explain everything to us.

At least you should allow you the possibility to see it from a bird perspective.

Like a Dodo?

The property of space is much much much simple as you believe, - it is flexible, and that explain "all" the so-called (man-invented) properties, - such as curved space, gravity waves, dark energy ...

You know how names work right?

They're just words to describe things, convenient shorthand, they don't have any magical powers; refusing to use a word doesn't have any effect on what it describes.

No new knowledge is necessary it is so obviously just in front of you own eyes.

So obvious it takes someone who can't understand water vapour to see it?