Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Reality Check]

The cause of gravity and the cause of the strong force is a unity, so you do not need to unite these. It is done not by mother cow but by mother nature.

Wrong.
Mother Nature states that they are totally different and have different causes.
Human beings have speculated that a theory can be created that describes them both. The cause of the forces in the theory will be different.

We have not units for; the amount of space matter absorbs / and one day again is released.

Ignorance and gibberish.
Matter does not "absorb space" nor does it release space. It curves spacetime.

 

[Bjarne]

Yes you are because there was no equation in that gibberish:
Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"
Asked on 16 March 2011 (6 days and counting)

Now it seesm that RC is angry .
I belive it is because the eqaution was simple.
But what can i do, so simple did mother nature create the universe.

Well E=mc² was aslo simple, - the other part; - Space absorbation; - 1 Kg. Mass = 1mu, - is off course also simple.

The unit "mu" is also a kind of "energi" but a different kind as what we are used to.

Maybe it is better to have that unit as 1KG = 1mu*c² because this is the speed (in all dirrection) whereby that "energy" will release itself.

So what is 1 kilo mass

Answer it is:

Mc² + M*mu*c²
Edit

And here is how to define 1mu

2E30mu (the mu of the sun) = the (lacking) space (space vacuum) inside a ball shape that have a radius of 1472 meter.
According to (space release) calculations shows above in this thread.

I think this must be about 1mu= 4,8E*10^-20m³ space vacuum, (or absorbed space if you prefer / depending on perspective) but here is to hot to activiate my last brain cells to say that this is a final statement.....

Edit no I think it is much more let me consider....
The space vacuum volume must be the difference between a ball shape of the sun and the same ball shape but plus radius 1472 meter

 

[Paul]

Now it seesm that RC is angry .

You're not worth getting angry over.

It's more likely to be frustration at the constant wilful ignorance.

I belive it is because the eqaution was simple.

You don't have an equation like you don't have a theory.

But what can i do, so simple did mother nature create the universe.

Well, some Danish parts of it anyway.

...the other part; - Space absorbation; - 1 Kg. Mass = 1mu, - is off course also simple.

It's nonsense.

The unit "mu" is also a kind of "energi" but a different kind as what we are used to.

So you've invented a new unit for a new form of energy and them arbitrarily assigned it a mass in existing units.

Maybe it is better to have that unit as 1KG = 1mu*c² because this is the speed (in all dirrection) whereby that "energy" will release itself.

So 1kg=the speed of light.

So what is 1 kilo mass

A mass of 1 kg

Answer it is:

Mc² + M*mu*c²

It most definitely is not.

Have you even read through that mess?

1 unit of mass = an undefined mass multiplied by the speed of light squared plus 1 unit of mass multiplied by the previous undefined mass multiplied by the speed of light squared.

And here is how to define 1mu

2E30mu (the mu of the sun) = the space inside a ball shape that have a radius of 1472 meter.
According to (space release) calculations shows obave in this thread.

That's a definition of 2³⁰mu, a unit you have not even properly defined, let alone demonstrated the existence of.


Here's another to add to the list of definitions you ignore:

equation A statement that asserts that two mathematical expressions are equal in value.
The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Mathematics. Christopher Clapham and James Nicholson. Oxford University Press, 2009.

 

[Bjarne]

So you've invented a new unit for a new form of energy and them arbitrarily assigned it a mass in existing units.

Oh no it is invented already, you call it dark energy
This too is only a gravitational wave.
I agree that is energy, but is different from EM energy.

 

[Paul]

Oh no it is invented already, you call it dark energy

Oops, try again.

This too is only a gravitational wave.

No it isn't.

I agree that is energy, but is different from EM energy.

What is?

 

[Reality Check]

You are lying about your equation uniting gravity and the string force, unless...

Now it seesm that RC is angry .
I belive it is because the eqaution was simple.
...usual gibberiah...

You are lying. You wrote no equation, simple or otherwise.

Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"
Asked on 16 March 2011 (7 days and counting)

 

[Bjarne]

You are lying. You wrote no equation, simple or otherwise.

Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"
Asked on 16 March 2011 (7 days and counting)

1KG matter=

Energy (as you know it) based on; Mc² + absorbed space (the oppesite of dark energy) = M*mu*c² ( this is a different kind of energy)

To define 1mu we can use the time dilation near the Sun, since the distance deformation is proportional the same (percent-wise the same), like that ;

2E30mu (the mu of the sun) = the (lacking) space (space vacuum) inside a ball can be found based on the volume difference of sapce (with and without the present of the Sun) > between 2 different size ball shape > Radius 700,000,000 meter compared to radius 700,001,472 = 6,5E22 meter³
Hence 1mu = 6,5E22 meter³ / 2E30mu = 3.27*10^-8 m³ space vacuum, (or absorbed space if you prefer / depending on perspective)

That space vacuum is the basic for the cause of gravity. - Hence we have here united the strong force and the cause of gravity in one equation.

 

[Reality Check]

Thank you Bjarne for confimning that you were lying about your equatiuon

1KG matter=
...gibberish....

Thank you Bjarne for confimning that you were lying by posting a bunch of gibberish rather than the equation that you claimed that you had.

Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"
You lied about having an equation.

 

[Bjarne]

Thank you Bjarne for confimning that you were lying by posting a bunch of gibberish rather than the equation that you claimed that you had.

Bad loser

 

[Paul]

Bjarne,

Is mu a unit or a constant?

Why is a known amount of matter equal to an undefined amount of matter multiplied by an undefined volume multiplied by a speed squared?

The volume difference between your 2 spheres is 13360171691.969 m3

Space vacuum doen't exist.

 

[Bjarne]

Why is a known amount of matter equal to an undefined amount of matter

This is not the case.
1 mu = how much absorbed space 1 Kg. matter contain.

multiplied by an undefined volume

It is not undefined you did just found it you wrote >
“The volume difference between your 2 spheres is 13360171691.969 m3”
This calculation can be done based on time dilation-factor near the sun, if all the matter of the sun would dissolve space would in that area expand 1472 meter.
http://www.science27.com/english/relativity.html

multiplied by a speed squared?

When absorbed space is released it will move in all directions with the speed of light.

(we say "expand" - in reality space would pull back to a tension-free state, and thereby distances would shorten )

 

[Reality Check]

Bad loser

You are deluded, Bjarne.
I suspected that you were lying about having an equation a week ago when you first claimed it.
The reason was simple: You have displayed an incredible ignorance of the basics of science and so incapable of producing such an equation.

Bjarne:

• Where is the equation in your post?
• And the real stupidity in the post: Where is the strong force motioned?

The fact that you have included no equation in that post shows that you were lying about having an equation.

But show that I am wrong:
Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"
Asked on 16 March 2011 (7 days and counting)

Or I win - you lied !

 

[Bjarne]

You are deluded, Bjarne.
I suspected that you were lying about having an equation a week ago when you first claimed it.
The reason was simple: You have displayed an incredible ignorance of the basics of science and so incapable of producing such an equation.

Bjarne:

• Where is the equation in your post?
• And the real stupidity in the post: Where is the strong force motioned?

The fact that you have included no equation in that post shows that you were lying about having an equation.

But show that I am wrong:
Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"
Asked on 16 March 2011 (7 days and counting)

Or I win - you lied !

RC

The strong force is the entire “E” – accumulation / or release, if you want it per particle divide it....
The force of attraction due to the strong force or due to gravity are secondary effects, not possible to unite. These are different processes.
We are talking about a overall total perspective, - this is the only way to understand the unity.
If you do not like the simple way the Lord created the Universe, you must complain to him, or to the pope etc,,, but now to me.

 

[Paul]

This is not the case.
1 mu = how much absorbed space 1 Kg. matter contain.

1kg of matter contains 1kg of matter.

It is not undefined you did just found it you wrote >

You never defined it.

So what is 1 kilo mass

Answer it is:

Mc2 + M*mu*c2

This calculation can be done based on time dilation near the sun, if all the matter of the sun would dissolve space would in that area expand 1472 meter.

Which would give a volume equal to that which I gave, not the 6,5E22 meter³ you gave.


Is mu a unit or a constant?

 

[Reality Check]

RC

The strong force is the entire “E” – accumulation / or release, if you want it per particle divide it....
The force of attraction due to the strong force or due to gravity are secondary effects, not possible to unite. These are different processes.
We are talking about a overall total perspective, - this is the only way to understand the unity.
If you do not like the simple way the Lord created the Universe, you must complain to him, or to the pope etc,,, but now to me.

Bjarne,

That is gibberish and not an equation.

• what is "E".
• what "Lord" (Lord Jeffrey Archer?)
• what does you spounting gibberish have anything to do with how the universe acts or is made?
• I can complain to you about lying to us
  Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"
  Asked on 16 March 2011 (7 days and counting)

FYI, Bjarne. An example of an equation is the relationship between a mass and an equivalent amount of energy in special relativity:

E=mc² where where E is energy, m is mass, and c is the speed of light in a vacuum.
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You are finally getting one point: gravity and the stong force are different processes with different causes.

 

[phunk]

Bjarne, the units on the left and right sides of your equation don't match. That's about the best way there is to know it's wrong.

 

[dafydd]

I haven't been keeping up with Bjarne's threads. Has he won his Nobel prize yet?

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Hence 1mu = 6,5E22 meter³ / 2E30mu = 3.27*10^-8 m³ space vacuum, (or absorbed space if you prefer / depending on perspective)

Wait, you are defining one of some unit, I think, by dividing a volume with 2 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 of the same unknown unit.

Doing one simple recursion, 1mu = 6.5E22 m³ / 4e60mu = 3.27*10^-8 m³ space vacuum. Allegedly.

 

[Bjarne]

Which would give a volume equal to that which I gave, not the 6,5E22 meter³ you gave.

I will check if it is true you deserve a big kiss from mother cow.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Whee! In a convoluted way, Bjarne actally makes some sort of sense.

1KG matter=

Energy (as you know it) based on; Mc² + absorbed space (the oppesite of dark energy) = M*mu*c² ( this is a different kind of energy)

This is the normal formula for the energy of matter, with a postulated constant mu added to the equation. The way it is used, mu is a constant, just like c.

Then ,Bjarne tries to derive the value of mu:

To define 1mu we can use the time dilation near the Sun, since the distance deformation is proportional the same (percent-wise the same), like that ;

I think this means that mu is the dilation of space in the gravity field.

2E30mu (the mu of the sun) = the (lacking) space (space vacuum) inside a ball can be found based on the volume difference of sapce (with and without the present of the Sun) > between 2 different size ball shape > Radius 700,000,000 meter compared to radius 700,001,472 = 6,5E22 meter³
Hence 1mu = 6,5E22 meter³ / 2E30mu = 3.27*10^-8 m³ space vacuum, (or absorbed space if you prefer / depending on perspective)

OK, while I have NOT checked the actual calculations, Bjarne attempts to find the difference between the volume the sun takes up and the same volume of empty space (which are different due to the timespace distorsion caused by the gravity field). He then divides, I think, with the mass of the sun, and gets mu.

So mu is the spacetime distortion constant, supposedly.

That space vacuum is the basic for the cause of gravity. - Hence we have here united the strong force and the cause of gravity in one equation.

And here, unfortunately, the chain breaks.

First of all, we have a completely unfounded, and circular claim: Space vacuum is the cause for gravity. As Bjarne's calculations try to derive, the opposite is the case: Gravity causes space vacuum (assuming that space vacuum is the same as spacetime distortion; if it is somethink else, we ate completley in the dark).

Secondly, of course, the only way the strong force gets into this is due to Bjarne's completley unfounded claim that the strong force has something to do with 'matter contracting space'.

I can see you are really trying, Bjarne. Not at all bad, but you are far from there. The math must be better, the logic must work, and you need to read up on background.

Do keep trying.

Hans