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You said it, yes, but you are wrong. It is not equal to a pin-prick, because Earht's mass is very much larger. The gravity changes in a 3km borehole, and it changes enough to show if the law of gravity is faulty. It isn't.

How much does gravity change in a 3km bore hole? Is this just mathematically calculated based on the model? Can you provide some numbers on this and some references to experiments verifying it? Is it within the margin of error for such an experiment? Is the difference directly measurable with present technology? References, sources?
 
How much does gravity change in a 3km bore hole? Is this just mathematically calculated based on the model? Can you provide some numbers on this and some references to experiments verifying it? Is it within the margin of error for such an experiment? Is the difference directly measurable with present technology? References, sources?
Well, if you can bear it, I suggest you read some of this thread. I think several of Reality Check's posts sum it up nicely.

Hans
 
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Anyway you should be able to point to a place where the measured ADG line is crossing the FAG line.

My friend you CANNOT, unless manipulating everything to a different planet. –

PLEASE – RESPECT – You have a limit (very few percent) to adjust for "disturbances", and this will NEVER make it possible to adjust the increasing 160µgal negative ADG towards the 3 rd floor, - out in the BUSH.

The heavy concrete floor at 3rd floor, (mainly) only disturbs the measuring on 3rd floor.

It will give you a local pull downwards.

All you need to do is just to add (estimate) some more negative ADG to that floor, - and this brings the COG near 5th floor.

My prediction has all the time been that ADG is stable towards to the COG.

OK; here we have Bjarne's predictions for the Domus Vista measurements.

So, it's show-down time!

A few basic remarks and definitions:

Free Air Gradient (FAG): When you move up from the surface of Earth, you are moving away from Earth's Center of Gravity (COG). Gravity diminishes with the square of the distance from the COG (any COG), so as you go up, gravity goes down. Since the radius of Earth is very big, for low elevations like buildings, we can assume the FAG is linear, and it is app. 0.3086 mGal/meter.

Center of Gravity (COG): The point where an object is in balance in all directions. In the COG, the gravitational pull of the object or system in all directions cancel out.

Now for the Domus Vista results:

Bjarne has hired a reputable institute to measure the gravitational pull in the largest building he could find in Denmark, the Domus Vista in Copenhagen. As Danish skylines are universally quite low, the Domus vista is just 30 stories and ~100m tall. The measurements show the actual gravity in a standard station on each floor, in mGal, with 3 decimals. The measurements are corrected for tidal difference and instrument drift.

Obviously, the values show the combined gravity from Earth and the building. To find the contribution from the building, we must first calculate Earth's contribution. This is done by estimating the baseline, or reference, gravity of the spot. This would be the gravity in the building site, before the building was erected. As this value is not available, we must estimate it, and this can be done in a reasonable way, by guessing where the COG of the building is, and calculate it from that. Due to the heavy construction of the lower 3 stories, it seems that Bjarne and I agree that the COG lies as low as around the 6th floor.

So all we now have to do, for each floor (floor n) is to take the baseline gravity Gb, the elevation of the floor (En) from the drawing (also published by Bjarne), and the FAG, and subtract the measured gravity for the floor (MGn) to find the building gravity for the floor (BGn):

BGn = Gb-(En*FAG)-MGn

I have split up the calculation in two steps in the spreadsheet, so the columns show as follows:

A=Floor number
B=The measured gravity MG
C=The elevation in meters
D=The Free Air Gravity for the elevations in C, based on a baseline gravity of 981551mGal.
E=The final difference, which is the contribution of the building on each floor.

The graph shows the differential result on the Y axis. The X axis is the line number and not the floor number, but I expect even the cows among us can subtract 1 to find the floor number. The Zero line represents the FAG line.

As you can see, the graph shows, with minor unimportant bumps, two slopes: A fairly steep slope for the first 3-4 floors, corresponding to the heavy lower part of the building, and a more flat slope for the upper part. There is a gradual transition between the slopes.

All as predicted by conventional Newtonian Gravity.

So, Bjarne, your scientific work of measuring in the Domus Vista paid off. The result is clear and unambiguous: The conventional theory of gravity is correct, and your alternative thesis is wrong.

Thank you for playing, you owe me a dollar.

:p
Hans
 

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And about this

PLEASE – RESPECT – You have a limit (very few percent) to adjust for "disturbances", and this will NEVER make it possible to adjust the increasing 160µgal negative ADG towards the 3 rd floor, - out in the BUSH.

In the graphs made by Bjarne, essentially trying to show the same as I have just done, there is a curious anomaly, in that from the 3rd floor, there is a sharp break in the curve, and it slopes steeply up, almost to the zero line.

As Bjarne has observed, such a function is hardly possible to explain using conventional gravity. However, it has a much simpler explanation:

Bjarne's graph is made assuming uniform height intervals between the floors, but this is not the case in the actual building. Actually, each of 3 lower floors is 4.3 m high, whereas the remaining floors are only 2.8.

Since the Free Air Gradient for the hight of a single floor is more than the total gravity of the entire building, this, apparently trivial, error totally skews the graph.

So when the FAG line is calculated using the correct elevations, we get a completely different picture, and one that obviously confirms conventional gravity.

So Bjarne, it seems that the "prevailing creed" has evidence on its side.

I think this is what they call pwned.

Hans
 
How much does gravity change in a 3km bore hole? Is this just mathematically calculated based on the model? Can you provide some numbers on this and some references to experiments verifying it? Is it within the margin of error for such an experiment? Is the difference directly measurable with present technology? References, sources?
I have now looked a bit into your other posts in the forum. While I think you seem a bit aggressive, you are, of course, welcome to participate. However, I suggest you peruse the many links and references given in this thread, just the latest 3-4 pages should contain all you need to find the answer to your questions.

I also don't quite see what is your point? Are you trying to educate yourself on the law of gravity? In that case I think you will find lots of information in this thread, but it is also very long and confusing, so I might suggest that you formulate specific questions and start a new thread, asking them.

Hans
 
How much does gravity change in a 3km bore hole?
So little that you normally measure with 50 meter interval, - was the measure from Moscow.
I was yesterday recommended not to use a borehole gravimeter to the next measurement
A simple Scintrex CG-5 can do it.
A better and must cheaper idea is under development.
We can in fact determinate all this at one day and for few thousand USD
With a little luck we can do the measurement maybe in February.
I will let you know about the idea soon, - it is very similar to the borehole measurement
Hans honesty we have blap blap enough how to understand the measurement at Domus Vista.
Now let the relative gravimeter have the last word.
Sorry I am busy now to prepare so much I can.
 
Hans honesty we have blap blap enough how to understand the measurement at Domus Vista.

Evasion noted. Bjarne, you can try to ignore that you have been proven wrong, but it won't go away, and I'm not going to let you forget it.

You lost the bet. You should be glad I only wanted to bet 1$.

Hans
 
Evasion noted. Bjarne, you can try to ignore that you have been proven wrong, but it won't go away, and I'm not going to let you forget it.

You lost the bet. You should be glad I only wanted to bet 1$.

Hans

As expected
 
As expected
No, I admit I did not expect your flight. I am not surprised, but I did have a hope that you might be man enough to face the facts.

Think about this: You made an experiment, in good faith, and in true scientific spirit. Are you going to accept the result, or are you going to run away?

Why do you think that another experiment will support you?

Face it, man: You were wrong, period. People are wrong sometimes. Just admit it, and you're fine.

Hans
 
No, I admit I did not expect your flight. I am not surprised, but I did have a hope that you might be man enough to face the facts.

Think about this: You made an experiment, in good faith, and in true scientific spirit. Are you going to accept the result, or are you going to run away?

Why do you think that another experiment will support you?

Face it, man: You were wrong, period. People are wrong sometimes. Just admit it, and you're fine.

Hans

Almost 300 µgal at the roof
This is not measured, but only manipulated almost with a fatctor * 100
You are not worth my time
Goodbye Hans....
 
Almost 300 µgal at the roof
This is not measured, but only manipulated almost with a fatctor * 100
You are not worth my time
Goodbye Hans....

Bjarne, I won't accept an accusation of manipulation. Point out where my calculations are wrong, or retact that statement.

Hans
 
He doesn't understand the data in Hans' pdf
I have explaied them carefully, but if you are in doubt about anything, all you need to do is ask. I'm fully able to explain all my figures and calculations.

Hans
 
I have explaied them carefully, but if you are in doubt about anything, all you need to do is ask. I'm fully able to explain all my figures and calculations.

Hans
Bjarne is never going to admit he doesn't understand; all his ideas are based on him not understanding and not knowing how to use his own data is just a small part.
 
Bjarne, I won't accept an accusation of manipulation. Point out where my calculations are wrong, or retact that statement.

Hans

Even though the building would be a perfect ball shape (and still radius 70 meter, or even only 50 meter) you would NEVER could reach that strong ADG you have shown in your graph, - at the top of the building.

You are violating the law of gravity SIR

It would take a 10 years child (with an IQ only 5% of mother cows) - less as 2 minute to prove you this matematical.

So if you not is manipulating, is the answer then just that you are mathematical blind? – Or WHAT ?

Come Hans, - you are desperate that’s all, and that’s the truth.
 
Bjarne is never going to admit he doesn't understand; all his ideas are based on him not understanding and not knowing how to use his own data is just a small part.

Probably not, sadly enough. The strange thing is that he really wants to be a scientist and not a crackpot, and right now he has the choice:

1) He can accept his own objective investigation results and be a scientist (not a very competent one, but a scientist none the less).

2) He can reject the objective findings and be a crackpot.

Oddly enough, he seems to be opting for #2. - And it is a deliberate choice, because his reactions after I submitted my calculations tell me that he full well understands the implications.

At least we now have the tool to summarily dismiss him in the future.

Hans
 
You are violating the law of gravity SIR
The real one or the one you made up?


It would take a 10 years child (with an IQ only 5% of mother cows) - less as 2 minute to prove you this matematical.
In that case, would you care to have a go? Or can you only whine?


So if you not is manipulating, is the answer then just that you are mathematical blind? – Or WHAT ?
The answer is clear WHAT.


Come Hans, - you are desperate that’s all, and that’s the truth.
Perhaps you could do as Hans suggested and ask about the figures, instead of behaving like a child.
 
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