Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

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Your "central gravity" prediction is that ADG is "stable", i.e. constant every where inside a homogeneous mass.
I am prepared to bet a million dollars that ADG is not constant anywhere inside a homogeneous mass
Deal
Put the amount into a closed account, so that it only can be released with yours and mine signature.

No. Borehole gravity is standard procedure. If it showed anything unconventional, we would know.

No you would not know anything, so long you not is researching the (true) COG, - such has never been done. Pinpricks in the surface of the Earth does not count...

I'll bet you one dollar. (your ideas are not even worth that, but...)
I guess this reflect how unsure you are.
Minimum is 10.000 USD, and you must have that money beforehand..

If we were to bet, what would it take to make you admit you are wrong?
The measurement described above, is the way to do it.
Suggest who can do borehole measurement to a reasonable price.

Adjusted expectation due to the borehole measurement experiment
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150 µgal difference per meter
 
Deal
Put the amount into a closed account, so that it only can be released with yours and mine signature.

*snip*

I guess this reflect how unsure you are.
Minimum is 10.000 USD, and you must have that money beforehand..

What planet are you used to place bets on? Where is YOUR money?

First of all, it is not normal to put the money down ahead, and if it is done, both sides have to deposit the sum. So, where is your one million for RC?

And no, I'm not uncertain at all, I'm so certain that I won't rip a poor fool off for more than a dollar on a sure thing. And you won't have to deposit the dollar ahead, I'm taking your word for it.

Also, you forgot to answer the question: What does it take to make you admit you are wrong? The Greenland borehole measurement shows you are wrong, but you refuse to recognize it. The Domus Vista measurement shows you are wrong, but you refuse to admit it.

What would it take to make you admit you are wrong?

For a borehole experiment, calculate:

1 The predicted curve according to conventional gravity.
2 The predicted curve according to your belief.

Accept that the one which is has the best mathematical approximation to the measured result is the right one.

The measurement described above, is the way to do it.
Suggest who can do borehole measurement to a reasonable price.

Why do you expect others to do the work for you? Find them yourself.

Hans
 
So, where is your one million for RC?
I was asking first

I'm so certain that I won't rip a poor fool off for more than a dollar on a sure thing
Ohh I would love to ripe naive brainwashed fools for all they have as well as put them in deep dept.
This is the only way they will lean not to contribute to mass brainwash…

Also, you forgot to answer the question: What does it take to make you admit you are wrong?
Once again, the borehole/container measurement, mentioned above must confirm your religion. It will never happen.

For a borehole experiment, calculate:

1 The predicted curve according to conventional gravity.
2 The predicted curve according to your belief.
Calculate it yourself, and prove my graph is wrong.

Why do you expect others to do the work for you? Find them yourself.
You and RC was betting, hence you also both responsible to prove you are right.

1 The predicted curve according to conventional gravity.
2 The predicted curve according to your belief.

The added red lines in the graphs below, - reflects the prevailing naïve blind brainwashed religion.

religion.jpg


A 800% nuts cow can see such zig zag line (relative to the FAG) is missing any kind of logic.

Only by looking at the prevailing creeds-graph, you can see the prevailing religion is nothing but completely blind incohorent confusion..

My friend the fact is you do not understand the cause of gravity. It is like a completely blind man believe he can teach blind cows how it is to see.
 
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I was asking first

How childish. But, in the world of grownups, a bet is a two-sided proposition. If you ask the other part to lay down his money, you do the same.


Once again, the borehole/container measurement, mentioned above must confirm your religion. It will never happen.

Oh, fine! Since they already do, you can just send me one dollar.
Documentation:

http://www.aapg.org/explorer/geophysical_corner/1999/gpc02.cfm

http://www.lacosteromberg.com/bhg.htm

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cov...7B38CFA823CE0?purl=/60072-VweZop/webviewable/

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp?purl=/882032-Ia5mAe/

Calculate it yourself, and prove my graph is wrong.

You and RC was betting, hence you also both are responsible to prove you are right.

Of all your attempts to shift the burden of proof, these are perhaps the most pathetic:

You say: "I want to bet you."

Then you say: "OK put up the money and prove me wrong."

Seriously, Bjarne, don't try that style down at the pub. You will get hurt.:boggled:

Hans
 
Of all your attempts to shift the burden of proof, these are perhaps the most pathetic:
You have your way (pinpricks and creeds) I have my way, heavy smashing evidence.
You will see my dear, and you’ll swallow all the concrete and ignorance you have been written here.

Then you say: "OK put up the money and prove me wrong."

Seriously, Bjarne, don't try that style down at the pub. You will get hurt
Honestly Do you believe RC have 1 million USD ?
It is him that started boasting. I believe if he had said that at a pup he was serious heard.
 
I have my way, heavy smashing evidence.

Ahh? Can't wait to see that.

You will see my dear, and you’ll swallow all the concrete and ignorance you have been written here.

No.

Honestly Do you believe RC have 1 million USD ?

Of course not. But he may be able to get them, if you are right. ;)

It is him that started boasting.

No, it was you asking for a bet. The sensational scientist with the revolutionary theory of how the universe works, when asked for evidence, answers: "How much do you want to bet?" :rolleyes:

There may be some thing more ridiculous than that, but I can't think of any just now.

Hans
 
The sensational scientist with the revolutionary theory of how the universe works, when asked for evidence, answers: "How much do you want to bet?" :rolleyes:

I think I have made myself clear, how to prove this.
Governments could do that in few days, but ooooohhhh this is against the holy creeds, - just to think on this is a brainwashed-crackpot-forbidden-sin.

Also even though we are far from a theory, and only dealing with a thin thesis.

But “scientist LOVE to lose billion, and billion and billion of USD on pure castles in the air, - instead.
Just because “scientist” all agree to the underlying holy authoritarian mass brainwash particle fixated idea; that gravity is carried by hiigs.
 
Deal
Put the amount into a closed account, so that it only can be released with yours and mine signature.
You want to make this real. Ok then lets make it real with a real amount (I do not have a million dollars).
No new experiment - we can use the existing scientific literature.

The conditions of the bet is if any scientific paper about a borehole experiment anywhere in the world at any time has found that the ADG varies then you lose.
If every scientific paper about a borehole experiment anywhere in the world at any time has found that the ADG is constant then you win.

Please open the account, put any amount up to $100,000 (NZ) and send me the details.

I will then produce proof that such an experiment has been published.

P.S. You lose! I win :jaw-dropp
Bjarne's "central gravity" is completely debunked!
Experimentally Debunked 1
Your "central gravity" idea lead to you asserting that the ADG inside a sphere is constant. That is a delusion rather than an prediction because you have ignored the experimental evidence that the prediction is wrong since 2 November 2009 :eye-poppi !
Real, tested science (Newtons law of gravity) predicts a varying ADG inside a sphere. The actual measured ADG inside a sphere varies as predicted

And MRC_Hans links to:
http://www.aapg.org/explorer/geophys...1999/gpc02.cfm
http://www.lacosteromberg.com/bhg.htm
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cove...p/webviewable/
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cove...882032-Ia5mAe/
 
You want to make this real. Ok then lets make it real with a real amount (I do not have a million dollars).
No new experiment - we can use the existing scientific literature.

The conditions of the bet is if any scientific paper about a borehole experiment anywhere in the world at any time has found that the ADG varies then you lose.
If every scientific paper about a borehole experiment anywhere in the world at any time has found that the ADG is constant then you win.

Please open the account, put any amount up to $100,000 (NZ) and send me the details.

I will then produce proof that such an experiment has been published.

You did again forgot; Amen
Pinpricks prove nothing.
What about the negative relative increase from "zero" to 160 µgal at 3rd floor found at Domus Vista?
This is deep measurement dear.
But well you cannot comprehend facts RC, either can Hans.
 
I think I have made myself clear, how to prove this.
Governments could do that in few days, but ooooohhhh this is against the holy creeds, - just to think on this is a brainwashed-crackpot-forbidden-sin.

Also even though we are far from a theory, and only dealing with a thin thesis.

But “scientist LOVE to lose billion, and billion and billion of USD on pure castles in the air, - instead.
Just because “scientist” all agree to the underlying holy authoritarian mass brainwash particle fixated idea; that gravity is carried by hiigs.

No. As I have shown you, this has been researched.

Just in case you missed it, here is the documentation, again:

http://www.aapg.org/explorer/geophys...1999/gpc02.cfm
http://www.lacosteromberg.com/bhg.htm
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cove...p/webviewable/
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cove...882032-Ia5mAe/

Hans
 
You did again forgot; Amen
Pinpricks prove nothing.
What about the negative relative increase from "zero" to 160 µgal at 3rd floor found at Domus Vista?
This is deep measurement dear.
But well you cannot comprehend facts RC, either can Hans.

Let's see if you can comprehend the facts. How do you explain this:

http://www.aapg.org/explorer/geophys...1999/gpc02.cfm
http://www.lacosteromberg.com/bhg.htm
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cove...p/webviewable/
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cove...882032-Ia5mAe/

About the Domus Vista data, I will do you a favor: Now that you have found the drawings, I will re-calculate it, with the correct elevations. Then we will se.....

Hans
 

As I said, the pinpricks measurement in the surface of the earth is less a 1/2000 of the total depth.

Compared to Domus Vista it can be compared to digging 2 millimeter into the concrete at the roof and measuring here as well as at the roof (2 millimeter higher)

And after that claim that now it is proven that ADG towards the center in that building is gradually decreasing to zero as well that there is a huge steel ball at 15 th floor. and bla bla bbla bla.

My freind is it possible to be more naive ?

At least it is not - for cows

What you are speaking about is nothing but fantasy

This only proves how much damage brainwash does. Not only are people overshadowed by holy naive creeds, no they also completely stop thinking them self, as well as ignoring opposite clear systematic evidence that proves they are wrong....

Your arguments are nothing but the last desperate convulsions to safe, - not a dying thesis, - but a thesis that already is dead.

There is no way you can explain increasing negative ADG , from GF to towards the 3th floor, - no less than minus 160 µgal.


About the Domus Vista data, I will do you a favor: Now that you have found the drawings, I will re-calculate it, with the correct elevations. Then we will se.....

I only expect manipulation from you.

So long you cannot calculate how strong ADG you expect at the top and at the bottom at the building, (according to the prevailing theory), - You are only building one more castle in the air.

And you certainly have no idea how to do such basic calculations.,.

My friend the maximum ADG at the building per meter is maximum 15 µgal, there is NO WAY you can justify that we have measured gradually increasing negative relative ADG-values > from GF and towards 3rd floor - no less as minus 160 µgal below FAG .
 
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As I said, the pinpricks measurement in the surface of the earth is less a 1/2000 of the total depth.

Compared to Domus Vista it can be compared to digging 2 millimeter into the concrete at the roof and measuring here as well as at the roof (2 millimeter higher)

You said it, yes, but you are wrong. It is not equal to a pin-prick, because Earht's mass is very much larger. The gravity changes in a 3km borehole, and it changes enough to show if the law of gravity is faulty. It isn't.

And after that claim that now it is proven that ADG towards the center in that building is gradually decreasing to zero as well that there is a huge steel ball at 15 th floor. and bla bla bbla bla.

Steel ball?? What are you babling about??

There is no way you can explain increasing negative ADG , from GF to towards the 3th floor, - no less than minus 160 µgal.

And your method can explain it how?

I only expect manipulation from you.

No problem, Bjarne, because unlike YOU, I will show my calculations, so you can review them.

So long you cannot calculate how strong ADG you expect at the top and at the bottom at the building, (according to the prevailing theory),

I can, if you can tell me the mass of the building.

And you certainly have no idea how to do such basic calculations.,.

Sorry, but I can. You are the one who can't do math, remember?

Hans
 
My friend the maximum ADG at the building per meter is maximum 15 µgal, there is NO WAY you can justify that we have measured gradually increasing negative relative ADG-values > from GF and towards 3rd floor - no less as minus 160 µgal below FAG .

OK, Bjarne. Time for the show-down!

Let's review Domus Vista.

My claim (and that of Newtonian Law of Gravity):

The mass of the building will influence the experienced gravity, so that the gradient inside the building will differ from the free air gradient (FAG) in the following way:

1) At the top of the building, the entire mass of the building will pull down, and thus add to the FAG.

2) At the bottom of the building, the entire mass of the building will pull up, and thus subtract from the FAG.

3) Between these points, the contribution from the building will gradually change, passing zero in the building's center of gravity (COG).

4) The total contribution of the building depends on its mass, which is not known, but based on earlier calculations made in this thread, we can expect between 0.3 and 1 mGal.

5) The COG can not be objectively determined, since we do not know the baseline gravity, before the building was erected.

(In case you forgot, you already acknowledged this fact):

Yes, - you can (only) estimate, and you have done so, (this is not so bad) .

6) In the ideal case (a homogeneous mass), the slope mentioned in #3 will be a straight line. However, since the actual building is not homogeneous, we must expect some deviations. In particular, since there is a very massive separation between the 2nd and 3rd floor, we must expect a steeper slope for the lowest 3-4 floors.

This is the detailed prediction for conventional gravity ('the prevailing creed' as you call it).

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According to YOUR creed, Bjarne, what is your prediction?

And will you bet 1$ that the Domus Vista data confirm my prediction?

Hans
 
You said it, yes, but you are wrong. It is not equal to a pin-prick, because Earht's mass is very much larger. The gravity changes in a 3km borehole, and it changes enough to show if the law of gravity is faulty. It isn't.

And that include the weight of the inner iron part of the Earth, that you only can estimate, based on a wrong thesis...

Steel ball?? What are you babling about??
What I just wrote above, - The inner iron core...

My claim (and that of Newtonian Law of Gravity):

The mass of the building will influence the experienced gravity, so that the gradient inside the building will differ from the free air gradient (FAG) in the following way:

1) At the top of the building, the entire mass of the building will pull down, and thus add to the FAG.

2) At the bottom of the building, the entire mass of the building will pull up, and thus subtract from the FAG.

3) Between these points, the contribution from the building will gradually change, passing zero in the building's center of gravity (COG).
This is nothing but a dead thesis.

4) The total contribution of the building depends on its mass, which is not known, but based on earlier calculations made in this thread, we can expect between 0.3 and 1 mGal.

No, you shall not expect more that 15 µgal at GF...
The estimation aome time I did before was not correct either .

It is VERY important to understand; - the more a body deviate from a ball shape, the weaker the ADG you’ll get.

For example a 500 ton cable between UK and France will not cause the same ADG as a 500 ton steel ball, - at the surface.

For example ask why astronomic bodies ball are ball shaped.

Answer:
Because of the strength of gravity depend of how effective you can encircle surround a central point of space.

If Domus Vista would have been a ball shape, the ADG would have been probably 5 times stronger.

You can say that building deviate approximately 80% from a ball shape.
THIS make a building so difficult to estimate / calculte.

5) The COG cannot be objectively determined, since we do not know the baseline gravity, before the building was erected.
(In case you forgot, you already acknowledged this fact):

Anyway you should be able to point to a place where the measured ADG line is crossing the FAG line.

My friend you CANNOT, unless manipulating everything to a different planet. –

PLEASE – RESPECT – You have a limit (very few percent) to adjust for "disturbances", and this will NEVER make it possible to adjust the increasing 160µgal negative ADG towards the 3 rd floor, - out in the BUSH.

Yes the COG is VERY low in that building it do ALSO surprise me.
BUT when you begin to understand the NEW theory, it is NO surprise.
The new theory have its own logic, and ITS OWN COG.
I too is LEARNING to understand the new theory...

6) In the ideal case (a homogeneous mass), the slope mentioned in #3 will be a straight line. However, since the actual building is not homogeneous, we must expect some deviations. In particular, since there is a very massive separation between the 2nd and 3rd floor, we must expect a steeper slope for the lowest 3-4 floors.
The heavy concrete floor at 3rd floor, (mainly) only disturbs the measuring on 3rd floor.
It will give you a local pull downwards.
All you need to do is just to add (estimate) some more negative ADG to that floor, - and this brings the COG near 5th floor.

According to YOUR creed, Bjarne, what is your prediction?

My prediction has all the time been that ADG is stable towards to the COG.

BUT from the surface and outwards everything is correct understood.

Furthermore the COG is NOT determinate by the center /balance of mass, - BUT only by how fast you’ll sink into the space vacuum, - and THIS depend on 2 things;
  1. the amount of mass on your path towards the center (COG)
  2. and /r2 from the surface and to the COG...

These 2 factors give you the ADG per distance, - and this MUST be conteracted by the same law (1+2) from the oppesite direction

It’s a completely new understanding.

Do you self the favor FORGET the old creeds, - it will only prevent you to understand and confuse you.
 
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Holy sh!£.. I cannot belief the lifespan of this thread... Achkt! LOL!

I wonder if you guys might be willing to reveal your education and/or past/present work experience. I assume some members here do have their credentials in their profiles, but many of us (ie myself) may be too lazy to look into it.

Sometimes I wish that we all were required to have our verifiable (or web-host verified) credentials & age embedded in our signature lines...
 
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