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Bitcoin - Part 2

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Again, these phrases are not “buzz-phrases”, but are phrases with real meanings. You can look up the definition of “Ponzi” and “pyramid” and find their definitions. They apply to real ideas, and are not merely “buzz-words”.

At the same time, “Ponzi” and “pyramid” don’t apply to Bitcoin, so I’m not going to talk about them any more (unless you need to), but “scam” and “pump-n-dump” do apply to Bitcoin, so I will talk about them.

Bitcoin is not in and of itself a scam, I am absolutely not claiming it is.

It is, however, conducive to scams. Any scam that’s ever been used on money trading, commodities trading, penny stock trading and many scams that rely on an individuals greed to overcome their common sense (actually, that’s a common factor in all scams) works pretty well with Bitcoin.

One scam in particular is “pump-n-dump”. This activity is illegal when it involves stocks and securities but afaik is not regulated in regards to crypto-currencies. This scam involves artificially inflating interest in an investment, typically through false or misleading statements, so that the scammer can sell the investment at an inflated price, leaving others to take a loss.

This scam is why I have a real problem when you and others make misleading statements about Bitcoin, claiming that past performance indicates all you need to do is hold on and eventually you will realize your profit, when you denigrate sellers as “nervous nellies” while claiming the brave souls who held on are “laughing all the way to the bank, HAHAHAHAHA!!!”.
Those are all “pump” elements of “pump-n-dump”.

Which not to say I think you are trying to scam anyone, but it could indicate you’ve been exposed and influenced by this rhetoric by someone who is trying to scam people, or who may have scammed people months or even years ago.

These are emotive terms designed to encourage you and others to make decisions based on your emotions rather than reason. That’s why they’re dangerous, and that’s why I object when this kind of reasoning is used to promote Bitcoin.

Keep hoping you'll be proven right this time. Maybe you'll get your wish in spite of the reality of BTC's past performance. And yes, I realize you're gonna spout something about past performance is not an indication of future return blah blah blah. You could make the exact same tired argument with any investment there is or ever was........

The question is why be that guy? Why try to convince others BTC is a bad investment? It has been very good for many. Perhaps you got in at the top? Bad luck that but there are ways around a high buy in price.

You do realize that people have been making your exact same argument since BTC was $3.00?
Chris B.
 
Perhaps you got in at the top? Bad luck that but there are ways around a high buy in price.
You will find that not one of the knockers in this thread have any skin in the game. Not a single one has ever shorted bitcoin.

The only poster who said that "he would if he could" would still be fighting his way through bankruptcy hearings today if he did.
 
You will find that not one of the knockers in this thread have any skin in the game. Not a single one has ever shorted bitcoin.

The only poster who said that "he would if he could" would still be fighting his way through bankruptcy hearings today if he did.
Now at $3818. Why are only speculators allowed to have opinions in your universe of discourse? When people identify an obvious bubble they don't tend to invest in it, but that doesn't stop them from thinking about it.
 
Now at $3818. Why are only speculators allowed to have opinions in your universe of discourse? When people identify an obvious bubble they don't tend to invest in it, but that doesn't stop them from thinking about it.
The difference is that they say that it is an absolute certainty that bitcoin is going to die whereas I say that it could go either way.
 
The difference is that they say that it is an absolute certainty that bitcoin is going to die whereas I say that it could go either way.
One thing that is absolutely certain is that it reached a bubble peak a year ago at $19,000 and is now at about $3,820.
 
Correct and the log monthly chart confirms this correction has a close historic parallel.
But this does not confer value on the entity. Every time gold is mentioned I think of the finite periodic table and the infinite crypto table, and now I see people talking of some cryptos heading for the moon while the others drift like dead plankton to oblivion.
Maybe so, I must be fair minded and regard this as a logical possibility if a consensus emerges as to which great crypto dreams are arbitrarily exterminated.
 
Correct and the log monthly chart confirms this correction has a close historic parallel.
But this does not confer value on the entity. Every time gold is mentioned I think of the finite periodic table and the infinite crypto table, and now I see people talking of some cryptos heading for the moon while the others drift like dead plankton to oblivion.
Maybe so, I must be fair minded and regard this as a logical possibility if a consensus emerges as to which great crypto dreams are arbitrarily exterminated.
I guess a partial concession is better than a kick up the bum. :)
 
The question is why be that guy? Why try to convince others BTC is a bad investment? It has been very good for many.

Most of the things skeptics debunk are relatively harmless until they cause people to start risking money or health/life or the future of the planet on the line. Debunking get rich quick schemes is one of these legitimately important tasks skeptics undertake.
It has been very good for many.

Bitcoin will eventually be abandoned and drop to zero. Sure some people will have made money on it, but every dime will have come at someone else’s expense and bitcoin speculators, on the whole, will have lost money because fees, fraud and mining will have all taken their share.
 
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