Bin Laden Dead Truthers Mourn

little grey rabbit said:
Don't you find it a little odd that no one that I have seen has not pointed out that the outcome of this mission - if you assume that AQ is not the black ops arm of the CIA - has been at best only a half-success? Not only does OBL live in a prestigious suburb for several years, but when he is located you can't even capture him alive?
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as this is less than 24 hours since the operation was conducted, it is too early to determine exactly what happened.

Though it sounds like the administration (BO and company) went in and gave orders to KILL him.

I don't like that. If it was at all possible he should have been captured, interrogated and then tried and executed.


Surely this is a failure that needs an explanation? Agreeing that is early days.
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Yup... I'd like to see the after action reports, and even the planning if possible.

Incidently, regarding respecting Islamic burial tradition - I don't think there is a strict 24 hour rule. But one thing I have noticed that if you talk to many Arabs they will not spontaneously bring up AQ or Osama bin Laden. If you, as I have done on occasion, say that you believe 9/11 was done by the American government, even quite respectable Arabs, ie professionals, will enthusiatically agree, almost like floodgates have been opened. These people mostly seem to say that they consider Osama bin Laden a very holy man - which seems to me illogical since he has either kept his trap shut since 9/11 or released some very odd video statements.
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Living in the UAE, surrounded by muslims, many of them firmly believe in the "you have to be buried within a day after dying" idea. They will tell you firmly to your face that is is in the Holy Qu'ran.

As for the agreement of muslims that it must have been the US government, or the jews.... well how do you want your faith portrayed? Their entire lives, muslims have been labeled "terrorists"
 
Scott Jurgenson said:
Right things don't always play out where the hero has time to quickly take out the gun hand, then disarm and tie the suspect while the other cats in the room shooting don't hit anything but the walls around them.

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This all takes place after the hero has been in a fight with the bad guys and has been punched and kicked full force in the face and maybe been belted on the head by an iron bar. Makes you wonder which planet these Hollywood scriptwriters live on. The same one as the truthers most likely.
 
little grey rabbit said:
A sequencing machine is not something you cart around the world at a whim. It is large and heavy and takes a while to set up - you need specialised personal to run it, you trained people to score genotypes and run comparisions, I struggle to see the point to expedite by no more than 24 hours a DNA confirmation.
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I can get next day results on a DNA test for $950 plus tax. :rolleyes:
 
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TruthersLie said:
as this is less than 24 hours since the operation was conducted, it is too early to determine exactly what happened.

Though it sounds like the administration (BO and company) went in and gave orders to KILL him.

I don't like that. If it was at all possible he should have been captured, interrogated and then tried and executed.
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The operative word here is "if".
 
Sabretooth said:
I know you're being sarcastic here...but some idiot called the local talk radio this morning calling shenanigans on the whole "buried at sea" thing...

The thing is, the US had to do that. Had they buried OBL on land anywhere, that grave would have instantly become a shrine for all the other terrorist idiots...
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Actually, that wouldn't have been such a bad idea after all!

Put a non-descript grave, nothing big, and then when people come to pay their "respects", scoop them bastards up too!!
 
Another Police sniper shoots a gun from hand 50 yards away

Drudgewire said:
lol nice edit to take out the part about "one of the shots" to make it look like a calculated sharpshooting rather a fortunate hit as bullets were flying around. :rolleyes:
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TheRedWorm said:
So let me get this straight: You want the military to train for an insanely lucky shot at very close range in the middle of a firefight?
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For sharp shooters it is not luck. It what they train to be able to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff4XuPtAOUk
http://www.flicklife.com/d3ebaabb04d6b5d09942/Sniper_shoots_gun_out_of_guys_hand.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv69hX4jlWQ

Why weren't they ordered to take him alive, and bring him to justice (a trial)?
He was surrounded, and will eventually run out of ammo, or need a kidney dialysis.
 
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do you HONESTLY think that some dude holding a pistol in a non threatening manner and a man shooting at you are the same circumstances in which a sharpshooter can do what you claim?

have you -ever- been in a firefight?
 
Unsecured Coins said:
do you HONESTLY think that some dude holding a pistol in a non threatening manner and a man shooting at you are the same circumstances in which a sharpshooter can do what you claim?

have you -ever- been in a firefight?
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I'm guessing no.

the fact of the matter is - in order for a sharpshooter to hit his hand, the sharpshooter would have to be in a prone position, shooting a hand that isn't moving. Of course it could be done, but I'm fairly sure those weren't the circumstances.
 
What were we these guys thinking not reading Bin laden his Miranda rights? Outrageous conduct I tell you.
 
NoahFence said:
I'm guessing no.

the fact of the matter is - in order for a sharpshooter to hit his hand, the sharpshooter would have to be in a prone position, shooting a hand that isn't moving. Of course it could be done, but I'm fairly sure those weren't the circumstances.
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"Not taking return fire" also helps.
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
For sharp shooters it is not luck. It what they train to be able to do.
Why weren't they ordered to take him alive? He was surrounded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff4XuPtAOUk
http://www.flicklife.com/d3ebaabb04d6b5d09942/Sniper_shoots_gun_out_of_guys_hand.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv69hX4jlWQ
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Negative. Lucky shots are not what they are "trained" to do. Police officers as well as soldiers are trained to shoot center mass.
People who pay even the least bit of attention to marksmanship training understand that the whole notion of shooting guns out of people's hands is an accident of luck and circumstance, and it's not something you deliberately train to do. Don't mistake exceptions for the rule; they most certainly do not train for that, nor are they taught to do that. What few examples exist are the product of unusual circumstances plus a police officer's or soldier's decision to deviate from training to take a higher risk course of action to suit the circumstance. It is not something you plan deliberately to do.

Also: Don't make things up about deadly force training. That tanks your credibility.
 
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