Bin Laden Dead Truthers Mourn

little grey rabbit said:
Yes, I was hoping some kind of autopsy would have been done to answer the vexed kidney question (I believe he probably didn't, but it was just a guess)

So 8:30 pm the President gives final approval
9:45 pm says prepare for a press conference
11:00 pm press conference announcement - has body in Afghanistan
4:00 am - we are told Osama has already been transferred to some undisclosed ocean and dropped overboard.

As I already said, I think it is Osama but he probably died of natural causes - perhaps a cancer that gave some warnings contingency planning was necessary - and this is all an elaborate pageant for the spectators.
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Good point, but as reported, they only had a 24 hour window to bury OBL at sea to comply with Islamic burial customs.:rolleyes:
 
therival58 said:
All I am saying is if we are supposed to be pragmatic with our foreign policy and figure that the ramifications of killing a terrorist leader would be worst than letting him live then we should choose the route that will lead to less casualties - I thought that was what the war on terror was all about, keeping people safe
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Riiight... so it's a better idea to let terrorists continue killing people because if we stop them it might make them mad and then they might kill people in retaliation. That's insane.

"You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his." George S. Patton
 
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Sam.I.Am said:
Riiight... so it's a better idea to let terrorists continue killing people because if we stop them it might make them mad and then they might kill people in retaliation. That's insane.

"You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his." George S. Patton
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the ramifications for any course of action should be considered before implementation, to determine if the benefit outweighs the risks. maybe fear of retaliation from terrorist groups are exaggerated.

Spielberg's 2005 film "Munich" raises these same questions.
 
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Since we're doing wild assed speculation in this thread, I believe the DNA testing was done before the attack in order to confirm that the suspected target was, in fact, Osama bin laden therefore it was perfectly feasible to have the testing done in the time available :p
 
lionking said:
Keep it up truthers, this is quite hilarious. I'm giving first prize (so far) to TruthMakesPeace for his claim that the Seals could easily have shot the gun out of his hand.
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And what if they did? Just what the hell does cicorp think is going to happen when 24 Navy SEALS all shoot at Osamas gun hand all at once with MP-5s and M-4s firing 3 round bursts?

Well sir, we tried to shoot the gun out of his hand. 40 bullets struck him in the hand and forearm shredding it to the elbow joint, 20 bullets hit the wall behind him and the remaining 12 bullets entered his torso perforating his lungs, spleen and colon...
 
therival58 said:
of course it's not the best course of action to take, but the ramifications for any plan should be considered before implementation.

Spielberg's 2005 film "Munich" raises these same questions.
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Did you stop to think that perhaps they ramped up all base security around the world before the raid? From all accounts I've seen they've been working on this operation for at least a few hours before the raid so sending out a general message ordering increased security measures is well within the realm of possibility. Or do you think that you're the only one who thought of this? It only takes about 1/2 an hour from giving the order in DC to having more boots on the wall (so to speak) at any base in the world. Do you think that they don't drill for things like this or that they don't already have written procedures for tightening up security at the drop of a hat?

I used to make and implement the forward duty section roster and I always had to have extra people available for all kinds of duties aside from regular watches. Some of them were specifically targeted at increasing security on our perimeter out to about 100 yards and inside the boat at key locations. We could (and successfully drilled many times to prove it) do it in about 5 minutes from receipt of the message. This was during a time where tensions were quite low and nobody was expecting it. I can't imagine that in todays environment that they have gone backwards in what they are expected to do.
 
Reactor drone said:
Since we're doing wild assed speculation in this thread, I believe the DNA testing was done before the attack in order to confirm that the suspected target was, in fact, Osama bin laden therefore it was perfectly feasible to have the testing done in the time available :p
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LOL - obviously whatever the Illuminati agree on becomes the new truth.

As it happens it seems like instead we are going to do a little soft shoe shuffle on the DNA thingy for a few days
http://www.daybreakingnews.com/post...at-DNA-tests-were-done-to-identify-Osama.aspx
 
Clayton Moore said:
Do you really believe anyone can hide from American technology for ten years?
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Yes.
Particularly if they are
a. living in another country where the US is not in power
b. if they are very careful in their use of high tech (such as mobile phones, the internet, and other high tech devices)
c. if they have a large personal fortune that cannot be tracked
d. if they have a large group of people they can use

yup.
there are plenty of people who can and have hidden from "american technology" for years... even dozens of years.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
Riiight... so it's a better idea to let terrorists continue killing people because if we stop them it might make them mad and then they might kill people in retaliation. That's insane.

"You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his." George S. Patton
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No, the best idea was to capture him, pump him for intelligence, extract a detail confession if possible, otherwise just try him and execute him - and let his followers see a humiliated bin Laden before a court.

If AQ was a real threat this operation would have been seen at best as a half disaster, a golden opportunity missed.

But for the elites, AQ is nothing more than a hilarious joke on the hoi-polloi, so they knew there was no intelligence to be gained by capturing bin Laden.
 
little grey rabbit said:
Well, it goes without saying that we should at all times strictly comply with Islamic burial customs.
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I live in the UAE and I can tell you with certainty that in this instance it matters a whole lot.

All that my students could talk about today was the death of UBL. they questioned me relentlessly about it.

What happened? How did it happen? What will they do with the body? Will they desecrate him?

Even though they all (almost all of them anyways) think that he is a terrorist, many of them also have some weird sort of respect for him (like Che, or robin hood).

So in this instance, we wanted to follow islamic traditions. after the fiasco that was the killing of Saddam Hussein...
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
Ordinary cops catch criminals who are shooting back every day.
And they bring them in alive, to stand trial before a judge and jury.
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Yea - one of my professors at local community college got car jacked last
week after class

Couple hours later caught up with suspect who resisted and tried to run down one of the cops

Shot him multiple times.

Just one more dirt bag dead.....
 
little grey rabbit said:
No, the best idea was to capture him, pump him for intelligence, extract a detail confession if possible, otherwise just try him and execute him - and let his followers see a humiliated bin Laden before a court.

If AQ was a real threat this operation would have been seen at best as a half disaster, a golden opportunity missed.

But for the elites, AQ is nothing more than a hilarious joke on the hoi-polloi, so they knew there was no intelligence to be gained by capturing bin Laden.
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Personally I think they should have tried to capture him... at this time we don't have enough information as to what exactly happened...

maybe they did try to capture him, and he went down "guns blazing." of course it could also be that some over zealous SEAL decided that he was just going to put a round through his eyes.

or they may have shot to disable him, and because he is an old man, he bled out. Or maybe his own guards gunned him down to make sure the US didn't get him..

all of this is speculation. We need to wait for facts.
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
The American crowds are cheering. We don't have to endure any more fake Bin Laden broadcasts. :rolleyes:

Obama said he made the order to "bring Bin Laden to justice".
So that means killing someone who was never indicted for the crime of 9/11, even if he was charged with other crimes, without a trial? Even Charles Manson got a trial.
The JSOC could have taken him alive. Sharp shooters can hit his gun hand, and outrun a man needing a cane.
We would have gotten a wealth of Intel from Bin Laden through interrogation and cross examination.
This is the new American "justice" that we want to bring to the world?
Dead men don't plead not guilty.
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I'm finding it hard to believe you are real!

Does this mean you will take to the streets to protest the killing of an "innocent" man? I would suggest you start at Ground Zero!

And remember to bring that conclusive proof of his innocence with you that has been so sorely lacking from the truth movement for the last 10 years!
 
I might've known the NWO would ship his body to china before proper testing could be done.
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
The American crowds are cheering. We don't have to endure any more fake Bin Laden broadcasts. :rolleyes:

Obama said he made the order to "bring Bin Laden to justice".
So that means killing someone who was never indicted for the crime of 9/11, even if he was charged with other crimes, without a trial? Even Charles Manson got a trial.
The JSOC could have taken him alive. Sharp shooters can hit his gun hand, and outrun a man needing a cane.
We would have gotten a wealth of Intel from Bin Laden through interrogation and cross examination.
This is the new American "justice" that we want to bring to the world?
Dead men don't plead not guilty.
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Obama is as fake as his cries of "Justice".

The US empire is in rapid decline and raw violence is all it has left. Lets hope it doesn't go nuclear in its death throes.
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
No. Crying for truth, justice, and the American way.
Killing anyone, when he could be brought to trial, is not our way.
Our top special ops force could not capture an old man with a cane alive?
Sharp shooters who could shoot a dime, could not shoot his gun hand?
Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed.
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I think this is a perfect example that truthers believe what they do because they think the entire world is a Hollywood script!

Before you answer with another of your fact-deficient posts, have you ever gone on a Special Forces raid yourself? Have you ever been involved in a SWAT raid? Have you ever had to make a assault on an armed compound by helicopter?

If not, then your opinions are simply that and are not relevant to the real, working world.
 
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