Bill O'Reilly

[Tony]

You aren't the brightest bulb, are you? The title of the first article I posted was "O'Reilly's Racist Slurs--in Context "

Oh, and the article states "According to the Post report, some of the conservatives in the audience were aghast at the seemingly racist crack. But if anyone was shocked by O'Reilly's apparent racism, they haven't been paying much attention".

Forgive me not completely reading every piece of trash that's posted. As it is, you still haven't demonstrated any racism (posting someone's knee-jerk analysis isn't evidence). Any evidence that O’Rielly supports white-supremacist ideals? And evidence that he has given money to white supremacists groups? Any evidence that he has given any kind of support whatsoever to white supremacists?

 

[thaiboxerken]

PR does alot of good for O'Reilly, it sends his ratings up and therefore he can get his message of ultra conservativism out. I won't deny that he gives charity, but I do not see it as being a giving out of sincere compassion for those he purports to help. Especially when he makes insensitive racial remarks and jokes about those he is helping.

I do it because he is a loud, overbearing bully of a spin-artist without much to redeem him

I agree with these statements as well.

 

[Luke T.]

And FWIW thaiboxerken, up above he was quoted as using the term coyotes, which is a common term for people who are paid to take illegal immigrants into the USA. So nothing there--as for the use of wetbacks, see defintion above.

Isn't "coyote" a term the illegal immigrants use themselves? I don't think it is a racist term in the slightest. It might be a slur against the human animals who prey on illegal immigrants, which would make it the opposite of racist.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Forgive me not completely reading every piece of trash that's posted.

If you're going to make remarks about an article, you should at least read it.

As it is, you still haven't demonstrated any racism (posting someone's knee-jerk analysis isn't evidence).

If you don't want to see the evidence, I can't force you to accept it as evidence.

Any evidence that O’Rielly supports white-supremacist ideals?
And evidence that he has given money to white supremacists groups? Any evidence that he has given any kind of support whatsoever to white supremacists?

One doesn't necessarily have to be a supremacist to be a racist.

 

[crimresearch]

Whether he's a fundie is debatable (I think yes).

Whether he's a racist is debatable (I think yes).

What is, as our British friends say, bloody obvious is that he's a hateful, angry, pompous bastard whose pontificating babble serves no purpose other than to lower the intelligence of his viewers and use up precious oxygen.

And it is also obvious that he is getting rich playing all of the above on TV...

 

[thaiboxerken]

And it is also obvious that he is getting rich playing all of the above on TV...

Yep, John Edward and Sylvia Browne are rich too. It just goes to show that the ignorant are a source of wealth.

 

[Tony]

Racially insensitive = Big Dumb Jerk (my interpretation only, of course)

I think it has a little to do with context and a lot to do with idiots. For example, you wouldn't call Chris Rock's stand-up racially insensitive. Yet, he says thing in other contexts that might be interpreted as "racially insensitive". And that’s what it comes down to, interpretation. I submit, that if someone attending the thingy where O'reilly made the joke took it as racial insensitivity, the problem is with them, and their refusal to dump whatever baggage they are carrying.

 

[Tony]

If you're going to make remarks about an article, you should at least read it.

Fair enough.

One doesn't necessarily have to be a supremacist to be a racist.

That's what a racist, by definition, is.

 

[thaiboxerken]

For example, you wouldn't call Chris Rock's stand-up racially insensitive.

Actually, yes. I think Chris Rock is racist.


That's what a racist, by definition, is

Really? I thought there are a couple of definitions. Here is the one I'm using : Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

 

[TragicMonkey]

I thought there are a couple of definitions. Here is the one I'm using : Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I was thinking something similar, but isn't the discrimination and prejudiced based on thinking that another race is inferior? If you have prejudices but treat the other race as equal to your own, then it's kind of racism....but kind of not. You wouldn't discriminate, really, because you'd be treating them the same.

I think some degree of perceived superiority is necessary to be racist.

 

[Tony]

Really? I thought there are a couple of definitions. Here is the one I'm using : Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I see you've decided to move the goal posts. When has O'reilly discriminated against someone based on race? Has he kept someone off his show because of thier race? Has he refused to associate with anyone because of their race? Does he show favoritism to white people?

 

[thaiboxerken]

I see you've decided to move the goal posts.

I'M the one moving goal posts? You are the one that introduced supremacism as an argument. It's my opinion that you are the one moving goal posts, I'm trying to keep my points to racism, not supermacism.

He has made racially "insensitive" comments and has used racial slurs several times. This is why I think he is a racist. You are entitled to your own opinion.

I was thinking something similar, but isn't the discrimination and prejudiced based on thinking that another race is inferior?

Or inferior to several other races. One can, for example, think that all races should be treated equally, except for the Dutch.

 

[Tmy]

O'Reilly is big at takin things out of context and using it against people. Its funny when the same happens to him cause he gets all bent about it.

 

[Tony]

It's my opinion that you are the one moving goal posts, I'm trying to keep my points to racism, not supermacism.

They are the same thing.

He has made racially "insensitive" comments and has used racial slurs several times. This is why I think he is a racist.

That's extremely fallacious "reasoning". Just because X type of people do Y doesn't mean anyone who does Y is an X type of person.

 

[thaiboxerken]

That's extremely fallacious "reasoning". Just because X type of people do Y doesn't mean anyone who does Y is an X type of person.

Racist people make racist comments. People that make racist comments are racist.

Assuming that the comments are made sincerely, I don't see any fallacy here.

 

[thaiboxerken]

They are the same thing.

No, they are not. I've demonstrated that using the 2nd dictionary definition. I've also illustrated it with the "everyone but the Dutch" analogy above.

 

[Tony]

People that make racist comments are racist.

First, none of his comments were racist.

Second, this is the very fallacy I was talking about.

Thanks for proving my point

 

[Tony]

I've demonstrated that using the 2nd dictionary definition.

No you didn't. You just changed tunes when you were shown the facts. You have yet to show how O'reilly discriminated against anyone.

 

[crimresearch]

For example, you wouldn't call Chris Rock's stand-up racially insensitive.

Actually, yes. I think Chris Rock is racist.


That's what a racist, by definition, is

Really? I thought there are a couple of definitions. Here is the one I'm using : Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Not in the literal sense...the definition of racism includes the belief that those being discriminated against are inferior *because* of their race...

When Chris Rock or Bill Cosby accuse black people of acting the fool, it is highly unlikely that they blame their race for it.

 

[thaiboxerken]

First, none of his comments were racist.

In your opinion.


Second, this is the very fallacy I was talking about.

Hardly a fallacy, it's a premise. If you want to say that I made a false premise, then fine.

Racists make racist comments.
O'Reilly makes racist comments.
O'Reillyl is a racist.

Assuming the premises are true, my conclusion is sound. I think that you don't like the premise, but you should know what a fallacy is before trying to accuse me of committing one.