Bill O'Reilly is Completely Dishonest

Cicero said:
Since you don't admit the BBC is biased, even when they themselves admit to it, why would Babs sharing troofer beliefs get you to admit she is a troofer?
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They admit to bias news? Bring it. We were talking new channels yes? O'Reilly is on a news channel yes?

Now Upchurch can Upbraid you on bringing in Babs' trooferism into this thread.
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Except I am not bringing it. Neither could you.
 
Cicero said:
If you believe this was a "CT," ABC News and MSNBC's Keith Olbermann perpetuated it as well.

In the same show with Coburn, O'Reilly agreed with Coburn's second point about how some FOX News on-air people utter uncivil remarks about Pelosi. Was that "nuts" as well? Does that make O'Reilly more or less "dishonest?"
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Except that penalties are part of the House bill, and the Senate Bill(the one that was passed) specifically forbids said penalties. People that were talking about this 4 months ago weren't making it up. They were reading from the House Bill.
 
Unabogie said:
All kidding aside, it's a complete fabrication and you know it.
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I'm just curious now. If a "complete fabrication" rates a "barely true rating", what does it take to get a "Completely False" rating? Do you need to be committing a murder at the time you utter the complete fabrication? Do you have to repeat the complete fabrication a certain number of times? How does that work?
 
Unabogie said:
No, seriously, you can't believe what you just wrote. Bill O'Reilly claimed that no one ever said anything about jail on FOX.
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Wrong. What he said was: "We researched to find out if anybody on Fox News had ever said you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Nobody's ever said it."
Which is true. Nobody on Fox news had ever claimed that "you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance". A claim like that, by its very nature, would have had to have been made since the bill passed.
As O'Reilly has since explained, jail time was discussed back in November when jail time was on the table. Nobody on Fox News has mentioned jail time in connection with the passed Health Care Bill; nobody on Fox News has claimed that anyone will go to jail for not having health insurance. That was the question that the senator's constituant was asking, that's what O'Reilly checked, and that's what O'Reilly was addressing.
Spin this any way you want; O'Reilly was right and you're wrong.
 
AvalonXQ said:
Wrong. What he said was: "We researched to find out if anybody on Fox News had ever said you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Nobody's ever said it."
Which is true. Nobody on Fox news had ever claimed that "you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance". A claim like that, by its very nature, would have had to have been made since the bill passed.
As O'Reilly has since explained, jail time was discussed back in November when jail time was on the table. Nobody on Fox News has mentioned jail time in connection with the passed Health Care Bill; nobody on Fox News has claimed that anyone will go to jail for not having health insurance. That was the question that the senator's constituant was asking, that's what O'Reilly checked, and that's what O'Reilly was addressing.
Spin this any way you want; O'Reilly was right and you're wrong.
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wooooooooow

You claim he didn't say what you just quoted him saying. I'm not sure what to say to that.

Is that an actual example of a psychotic break?
 
I'm going to have to put Bill in the dishonest category. One of his talking points this afternoon was: Jon Stewart called Fox News hypocritical because of its bias, but Stewart has a strong liberal bias, so he's a hypocrite.

No one with Bill O'Reilly's education, experience, and knowledge could possibly think that the bias of a comedian on a comedy channel rises anywhere close to being as serious as the bias of a political commentator on a news channel that bills itself as "fair and balanced." I'll leave out the tu quoque fallacy, but stick with my assertion - Bill O'Reilly is intellectually dishonest.
 
AvalonXQ said:
Wrong. What he said was: "We researched to find out if anybody on Fox News had ever said you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Nobody's ever said it."
Which is true. Nobody on Fox news had ever claimed that "you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance".
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Did you watch the clip in the OP? I ask because in the video clip there are eight Fox News hosts saying that violators will go to jail. Why are you saying that no one on Fox News ever said that?
 
Ladewig said:
Did you watch the clip in the OP? I ask because in the video clip there are eight Fox News hosts saying that violators will go to jail. Why are you saying that no one on Fox News ever said that?
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Apparantly there's some sort of "nuance" involved when one is referring to either the House Bill or the Senate Bill.
 
AvalonXQ said:
Wrong. What he said was: "We researched to find out if anybody on Fox News had ever said you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Nobody's ever said it."
Which is true. Nobody on Fox news had ever claimed that "you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance". A claim like that, by its very nature, would have had to have been made since the bill passed.
As O'Reilly has since explained, jail time was discussed back in November when jail time was on the table. Nobody on Fox News has mentioned jail time in connection with the passed Health Care Bill; nobody on Fox News has claimed that anyone will go to jail for not having health insurance. That was the question that the senator's constituant was asking, that's what O'Reilly checked, and that's what O'Reilly was addressing.
Spin this any way you want; O'Reilly was right and you're wrong.
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I see I misread your post when I wrote post #88. Here is my question. If that is what Mr. O'Reilly meant, why is that not what he said? He didn't say, "since the bill has passed no one has discussed jail time," he said "No one has discussed jail time." Furthermore, the senator's claim was not that people on Fox News had mentioned jail time since the bill has passed. The senator's claim was that people on Fox News have discussed jail time.
 
Ladewig said:
I see I misread your post when I wrote post #88. Here is my question. If that is what Mr. O'Reilly meant, why is that not what he said? He didn't say, "since the bill has passed no one has discussed jail time," he said "No one has discussed jail time."
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O'Reilly has explained it quite well himself: when jail time was on the table, Fox News talked about jail time. But jail time wasn't in the bill that passed, which is why no one on Fox News has ever told the American people that if they don't get health insurance they'll go to jail. No one at Fox News has misrepresented the final health bill, the one that actually became law, in that way.
What O'Reilly said was true both literally and by implication, end of story.
On this issue, O'Reilly is right, you're wrong.
 
AvalonXQ said:
O'Reilly has explained it quite well himself: when jail time was on the table, Fox News talked about jail time. But jail time wasn't in the bill that passed, which is why no one on Fox News has ever told the American people that if they don't get health insurance they'll go to jail. No one at Fox News has misrepresented the final health bill, the one that actually became law, in that way.
What O'Reilly said was true both literally and by implication, end of story.
On this issue, O'Reilly is right, you're wrong.
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Again, I have to ask did you watch the video. There are several Fox News commentators that say, verbatim, "if you don't buy health insurance, you will go to jail."

O'Reilly: "nobody has ever said it." He wasn't claiming that no one has said it since the bill passed. His exact words were "nobody has ever said it."

G. Beck: "If you don't play by their new rules on health care ... you're going to be looking at a fun little stint in jail."

You are very much in the wrong on this topic. Bill O'Reilly was either lying or incompetent when he claimed that nobody at Fox News has ever said it.
 
Ladewig said:
Again, I have to ask did you watch the video. There are several Fox News commentators that say, verbatim, "if you don't buy health insurance, you will go to jail."
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Which bill were said commentators talking about?
 
Newtons Bit said:
Yes, but as I understand it, the real context was the final bill.
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Isn't the real context that the talking heads on fox just wanted to make the bill (which ever one) sound as bad as possible because that's what their viewers want? And now they're trying to just cover their butts after being called on it?
 
I'm willing to grant a little flexibility on O'Reilly here. He may have meant what Newton's Bits is referring to.

If we need point at O'Reilly lies we can always use the Paris Business Review and their article on the Malmedy Massacre.
 
Newtons Bit said:
Yes, but as I understand it, the real context was the final bill.
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Coburn said "that makes good news on Fox" Someone asked him about penalties and he said that. I see no specifics. O'Reilly made a general statement that no-one ever said it. He researched it he said. Colburn said he saw it said on Fox. He was correct.

O'Reilly was wrong. People need to get a grip here.
 
Newtons Bit said:
Which bill were said commentators talking about?
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I don't know. The video does not include dates. I assumed they were talking about earlier drafts, but in any case I cannot see how the phrase "nobody has ever said it" can be taken as referring only to the final law. At no point in O'Reilly's speech does he ever say, "since the bill was passed." Even taken in context, there is no reason to assume he meant "nobody has ever said it since the bill was signed."
 
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