Merged Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham/Science smack-down!/What Bill Nye Doesn't Know

[truethat]

Then you are talking about something else. Why don't you go and read the article in the OP as well. Really really really really annoying when people insist on debating something they haven't even bothered to read.

I didn't feel the NEED to qualify 6 Day Creationism because the debate is about 6 day creationism. The writer wrote a book about 6 Day Creationism and the Museum supports YEC.

SMH. I have to stop myself from replying any more. It's pointless.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/06/dinosaurs-noahs-ark-creationism-museum_n_3714483.html

 

[jerrywayne]

Although the venue deck is stacked against him, Bill Nye is an entertaining speaker. Just maybe he will be pleasant enough for a few rethinks in the Ham held audience.

 

[tsig]

I dunno, it would be fun to see Nye smack him down in terms even a child could understand.

Yes but we're talking YEC's here. Remember, unless ye become as a little child ye cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[tsig]

This is why I don't engage with you angrysoba. You rarely read what is actually written but then spin off arguments on things I didn't say.

The debate isn't about GOD. It's about CREATIONISM. And as I stated, most Christians do NOT BELIEVE in 6 DAY CREATIONISM.

Here is Ken Ham's book.

Six Days
The Age of the Earth and the Decline of the Church
Written by Ken Ham


It is really really really really frickin' annoying when people can't be bothered to read simple sentences and decide instead to go off on tandems that are completely different points.

So enjoy your thread.

Why do you dislike those who ride bicycles built for two?

 

[Mister Earl]

Why do you dislike those who ride bicycles built for two?

The biggest issue in tandem biking: Who steers? The rule is pretty simple... if you're not steering, the steering sucks. The parties involved and quality of actual steering is irrelevant. Tandem bikes have discord built right into them.

 

[angrysoba]

Then you are talking about something else. Why don't you go and read the article in the OP as well. Really really really really annoying when people insist on debating something they haven't even bothered to read.

I didn't feel the NEED to qualify 6 Day Creationism because the debate is about 6 day creationism. The writer wrote a book about 6 Day Creationism and the Museum supports YEC.

SMH. I have to stop myself from replying any more. It's pointless.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/06/dinosaurs-noahs-ark-creationism-museum_n_3714483.html

Are you saying that 6 day Creationism is a loony theory that needs no debating whatsoever and that Creationism, which polls show that about 50% of Americans believe in, is a perfectly respectable theory that perhaps should be debated or even taught in schools?

 

[joesixpack]

According to a Gallup poll:

Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist view of the origin of humans is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, when Gallup first asked the question. About a third of Americans believe that humans evolved, but with God's guidance; 15% say humans evolved, but that God had no part in the process.

I am sure the nice people at Gallup are above fudging numbers, and I certainly don't subscribe to any conspiracy theories in regards to their polls, but this result is mind boggling, and frankly quite hard to believe. In my entire life, I think I have known only about 20 people who believe in the biblical story of creation. It is very difficult for me to get my head around these poll results.

Could it be that 46% believe in the scientific view with the exception of human beings?

I'm honestly trying to figure out a loophole, because honestly, this does not fit at all with my experience living in America. I have a pretty diverse circle of friends.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Could it be that 46% believe in the scientific view with the exception of human beings?

A few of them. yeah. But, not enough to mean that there aren't significant numbers of creationists, or even full bore YECs. Polls that ask questions worded to focus on plants or non-human animals rather than asking specifically about humans knock the 46% number down to about 40%.
And keep in mind that among the 50-60% that support evolution, most of them believe god guided the process.

In round numbers, most polls indicate about 20% YEC, 20% OEC, 45% (at best) theistically guided evolution, 15% non-theistically guided evolution.

Yet more evidence: http://www.pewresearch.org/2009/02/...hday-americans-still-divided-about-evolution/

 

[Dissolution]

I'm honestly trying to figure out a loophole, because honestly, this does not fit at all with my experience living in America. I have a pretty diverse circle of friends.

The 2nd sentence might explain the 1st.
A belief in Young Earth Creationism probably has a better survival rate when it's not exposed to other, more sensible beliefs.

 

[joesixpack]

Yet more evidence: http://www.pewresearch.org/2009/02/...hday-americans-still-divided-about-evolution/

Very interesting article. Some of the poll numbers are bewildering, to say the least;

A 1999 Fox News poll of registered voters offered respondents the explicit option to say that both Darwin’s theory of evolution and the biblical account of creation were true: 26% said both were. More recently, a July 2005 Pew Research Center poll found that a substantial 35% minority of those who accept creationist accounts of life’s origins nonetheless oppose removing the teaching of evolution in public schools in favor of teaching creationism; 14% of those who accepted natural selection favored teaching creationism instead of evolution.

 

[tsig]

I am sure the nice people at Gallup are above fudging numbers, and I certainly don't subscribe to any conspiracy theories in regards to their polls, but this result is mind boggling, and frankly quite hard to believe. In my entire life, I think I have known only about 20 people who believe in the biblical story of creation. It is very difficult for me to get my head around these poll results.

Could it be that 46% believe in the scientific view with the exception of human beings?

I'm honestly trying to figure out a loophole, because honestly, this does not fit at all with my experience living in America. I have a pretty diverse circle of friends.

What church do you attend?

 

[joesixpack]

What church do you attend?

When I did attend church, it was the Roman Catholic Church, and when I was kid I attended a parochial school. At no time was "creationism" ever taught, nor was the 6-day creation ever treated as anything but a fairy tale. Since a large percentage of the US population are Catholic (about 25% according to Wikipedia), I find it difficult to believe that such a large percentage would be young Earth Creationists.

 

[Resume]

When I did attend church, it was the Roman Catholic Church, and when I was kid I attended a parochial school. At no time was "creationism" ever taught, nor was the 6-day creation ever treated as anything but a fairy tale. Since a large percentage of the US population are Catholic (about 25% according to Wikipedia), I find it difficult to believe that such a large percentage would be young Earth Creationists.

I know a number of catholics who are skeptical of evolution.

 

[John Jones]

I know a number of catholics who are skeptical of evolution.

Ask them what the official position of the RCC is.

Better yet, you tell us the RCC's official position on evolution.

 

[John Jones]

When I did attend church, it was the Roman Catholic Church, and when I was kid I attended a parochial school. At no time was "creationism" ever taught, nor was the 6-day creation ever treated as anything but a fairy tale. Since a large percentage of the US population are Catholic (about 25% according to Wikipedia), I find it difficult to believe that such a large percentage would be young Earth Creationists.

Two words: Southern Baptists.

I don't know if they truly believe in YEC, but a large number of them claim to believe it.

 

[Resume]

Ask them what the official position of the RCC is.

Better yet, you tell us the RCC's official position on evolution.

Doesn't seem to matter. I'm talking college educated, some with advanced degrees; a Knights of Columbus officer connected in the Chicago Archdiocese, folks like that. Catholics who ignore the dogma concerning birth control but cast a stink eye at evolution.

 

[joesixpack]

Two words: Southern Baptists.

I don't know if they truly believe in YEC, but a large number of them claim to believe it.

It's really weird, a large number of Americans claim to attend church regularly, but actual attendance seems to be less.

 

[angrysoba]

Well, the Roman Catholic Church's position is that evolution is not incompatible with Catholicism. Which means that you do not have to believe in it nor will you be condemned for believing in it. So clearly there could be many Catholics who do not believe in evolution as well as many who do.

But on top of that, there are going to be numerous evangelicals who believe in creationism and also a lot of Muslims and Orthodox Jews who are creationists.

Then you have to also include people who are thoroughly confused and assume the literal truth of the Bible simply because that's what the clergy seem to believe whatever it says in their theological papers.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

This was great:

And Ham is already dragging on Nye’s lab coat-tails. This is a quote from a site aimed at young Christians called “Relevant”(I know) titled “Bill Nye VS. Ken Ham:

Welcome to the Thunderdome”…
“It’ll be a battle for the ages, as the two noted brainiacs take on the question: “Is Creation a viable model of origins?”.​

Do they have a snort out loud emoticon?

The blog expresses a concern Ham will have the audience. I think Nye is a bigger draw.

I do hope there will be a video version we can see. Kentucky is a bit too far to travel for one talk.

 

[SezMe]

There are 320 million people living in the United States and you think a phone poll of less than 2,000 people is an accurate sampling/

Unfreakin' real.

Unfreakin' unfamiliar with statistics, eh?