Bill Cosby's 2004 "Rant" against low-class blacks

[ponderingturtle]

You seem to be missing the qualifier that I did not intend to say that the studies indicated 100% of poor readers remain poor readers.

As promised, I started a new thread in Education.

A revision on my part. The seminal study (Juel, 1988) was a longitudinal study of students from first through fourth grades, so to be precise my claim should have said that poor readers in first grade remain poor readers in fourth grade (with a probability of .88).

But how many of them change later? I was a poor reader in first through fourth grades, but later became a better reader. This would seem to violate rules of brain function in catagory 3.

 

[Madalch]

"bucket of crabs" - ?? That's a new one on me....

The old joke about the fisherman keeping two buckets of crabs- one needs a lid on it at all times, or the crabs all escape. The other doesn't need a lid because the crabs are [insert national or ethnic group here] crabs- as soon as one gets any higher than the other crabs, the other ones pull him right back down again.

 

[bigred]

The old joke about the fisherman keeping two buckets of crabs- one needs a lid on it at all times, or the crabs all escape. The other doesn't need a lid because the crabs are [insert national or ethnic group here] crabs- as soon as one gets any higher than the other crabs, the other ones pull him right back down again.

Go figure an old joke I haven't heard.

I'd laugh if I wasn't so offended.

 

[hgc]

The old joke about the fisherman keeping two buckets of crabs- one needs a lid on it at all times, or the crabs all escape. The other doesn't need a lid because the crabs are [insert national or ethnic group here] crabs- as soon as one gets any higher than the other crabs, the other ones pull him right back down again.

Sorry to have to get all pedantic on you, but the bucket that needs a lid is the one with a single crab. Any more than that, then you get the 'bucket of crabs' effect.

 

[drkitten]

Oh cmon we all know that's because there's a NATION-WIDE CONSPIRACY of all cops and judges (etc etc) against the black man.

It may not be a conspiracy, but there's "something in that."

The racial disparity in sentencing is well-known and well-documented. Blacks and Latinos routinely are incarcerated at a much higher rate than similarly situated whites (whites tend to draw more sanctions like suspended sentences and probation), and to draw longer sentences (where a white defendant might get a two year sentence, a similarly situated black defendant might draw thirty months). Here's another source if you like.

Now, of course, the criminals who are being discriminated against in sentencing are still criminals -- you don't get thirty months by studying hard and practicing the saxophone in your spare time. But at least part of the incarceration difference is demonstrably due to racism.

 

[bigred]

It may not be a conspiracy, but there's "something in that."

The racial disparity in sentencing is well-known and well-documented. Blacks and Latinos routinely are incarcerated at a much higher rate than similarly situated whites (whites tend to draw more sanctions like suspended sentences and probation), and to draw longer sentences (where a white defendant might get a two year sentence, a similarly situated black defendant might draw thirty months). Here's another source if you like.

Now, of course, the criminals who are being discriminated against in sentencing are still criminals -- you don't get thirty months by studying hard and practicing the saxophone in your spare time. But at least part of the incarceration difference is demonstrably due to racism.

Excuse the pun, but of course it's not that black and white. I didn't say/imply "there is never any racism in any court anywhere in the U.S."

But there are many minorities (mostly blacks) who are convinced that the exceedingly high rate of blacks in jail is entirely or almost entirely because of a nation-wide conspiracy against them as a race. ie cops just trump up charges and judges/juries/etc ignore evidence (or lack of it) and toss em in jail. Never mind that many of those people doing it are themselves black (oh that's right, they're "Uncle Toms") It couldn't be that most of the people getting busted had it coming plus change; it's all about racism.